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Draft Position after Tenn Loss


Quote:Hey All.  I'm a Bronco fan who enjoys talking to all sorts of fans because I love football.  I'm not here to talk smack, just like getting different perspectives from all sorts of fans.

 

I've read through this thread and I find it fascinating.  There are some similarities to the Broncos of '09, and '10 in that some fans wanted the team to lose, mostly because McDaniels was a train wreck and we wanted him fired as soon as possible; of course, this came to fruition.  I was definitely one of the fans who was willing to take some sort term losses in the hopes of building for the long term.  Turned out pretty well.  My point is, all fans have a different perspective on how they want their team to move in the future.  I personally don't think it makes you a "bad fan" to hope for losses as long as you believe it will make your team better in the near and long term future.  I agree with the winning culture perspective, but winning has a lot to do with talent.

 

Fact is, teams need quality QB play to compete these days.  Modern football is made to score by the pass.  A good running game is still important, don't get me wrong, but a good running game with a mediocre "game manager" doesn't get you as far these days.

 

Drafting a QB is a scary prospect because all draft picks are a crap shoot to a certain degree.  I personally don't think Bridgewater is a slam dunk, no brainer like Luck was.  Trying to be competitive while grooming a rookie QB is a tough endevour that holds no guarantees.  Also, drafting a QB with your #1 pick can be devastating to a franchise if he doesn't work out - as you all know.

 

I can definitely understand the attraction to a hyped, flashy QB like Bridgewater.  My question is: Do you all think drafting a QB is your best move, or do you try and trade down and stockpile picks and bring in a vet QB who can hold down the fort while grooming a young QB of the future?  Just curious if any of you see a vet QB you'd like to see while building up your team.
 

Welcome to the board, Broncos Guy. Denver was one of my favoritre teams before I started rooting for the Jaguars in 1997 and I still like the Broncos so I wanted Denver to win in Week 6 for playoff reasons (especially with the Chiefs still being undefeated). But one of my favorite Jaguars plays this season is Paul Posluszny's pick 6.

 

When Josh McDaniels was the coach in Denver, I was as mad at Pat Bowlen as Chargers fans were at Ed Hochuli. I believe in the phrase, "If it is not broke, don't fix it." At the time Mike Shanahan was fired, the Broncos were not broken. But I am happy with their current direction under John Fox and (for four weeks) Jack Del Rio.

 

I understand why people say losing now helps the Jaguars in the future only because I know many fans are stupid. My issue with them is they assume Teddy Bridgewater will definitely go #1 overall, only a 0-16 team can get that pick, and we specifically need Bridgewater to be our next quarterback. All of those statements are false. How do I know that?

 

1. At this point last year, most people thought Geno Smith would go #1 overall. He fell out of the first round.

2. Only one team in NFL history (the 2008 Lions) had that record, but every year a team clinches the #1 pick.

3. Quarterbacks drafted #1 overall are not always the best QB in their class (see Tim Couch and Alex Smith).

 

So why does anybody think the only way to solve our quarterback problem is lose every game and draft Teddy Bridgewater with the #1 pick? Those fans are annoying to me and one reason I am happy about Jacksonville's four wins. But I totally understand the "lose now for a better future" idea, even though I don't agree with it at all.

 

To answer your question: If the best quarterback in next year's draft is still available at our pick number, trading down is stupid. We have 10 picks because of trades (one pick from the Lions and two from the Ravens) and can't afford to settle for the second-best quarterback in a weak class or wait a year for Jameis Winston to come out.

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Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by newporttom - 12-22-2013, 05:21 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by knarnn - 12-22-2013, 05:24 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by knarnn - 12-22-2013, 05:26 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by HandsomeRob86 - 12-22-2013, 05:29 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by TJBender - 12-22-2013, 05:29 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by The_Anchorman - 12-22-2013, 05:29 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by The_Anchorman - 12-22-2013, 05:32 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by MojoKing - 12-22-2013, 05:34 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by knarnn - 12-22-2013, 05:34 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by The_Anchorman - 12-22-2013, 05:35 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by C'MON JAGS - 12-22-2013, 05:36 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by jaxjags625 - 12-22-2013, 05:39 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by Cleatwood - 12-22-2013, 05:39 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by MojoKing - 12-22-2013, 05:41 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by jaxjags625 - 12-22-2013, 05:42 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by roycee - 12-22-2013, 05:50 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by archer56 - 12-22-2013, 05:54 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by jaguarmvp - 12-22-2013, 05:56 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by knarnn - 12-22-2013, 05:58 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by C'MON JAGS - 12-22-2013, 06:09 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by knarnn - 12-22-2013, 06:09 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by archer56 - 12-22-2013, 06:19 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by Jinjo - 12-22-2013, 06:38 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by Dockerill91 - 12-22-2013, 06:41 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by ukjag34 - 12-22-2013, 06:42 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by archer56 - 12-22-2013, 06:44 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by NYC4jags - 12-22-2013, 06:44 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by Dakota - 12-22-2013, 06:45 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by Dockerill91 - 12-22-2013, 06:45 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by Dockerill91 - 12-22-2013, 06:47 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by ukjag34 - 12-22-2013, 06:52 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by jagboss - 12-22-2013, 06:53 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by NH3 - 12-22-2013, 06:53 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by foo895 - 12-22-2013, 06:54 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by Dockerill91 - 12-22-2013, 06:56 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by NH3 - 12-22-2013, 06:57 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by Dockerill91 - 12-22-2013, 06:58 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by homebiscuit - 12-22-2013, 06:59 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by Dockerill91 - 12-22-2013, 07:03 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by NYC4jags - 12-22-2013, 07:06 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by Dockerill91 - 12-22-2013, 07:09 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by Dockerill91 - 12-22-2013, 07:12 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by ukjag34 - 12-22-2013, 07:18 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by TTechJag85 - 12-22-2013, 07:31 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by archer56 - 12-22-2013, 07:36 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by Dockerill91 - 12-22-2013, 07:39 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by newporttom - 12-22-2013, 07:39 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by JaxxnateNH - 12-22-2013, 07:46 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by NH3 - 12-22-2013, 07:47 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by newporttom - 12-22-2013, 07:49 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by FreeAgent01 - 12-22-2013, 07:49 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by NH3 - 12-22-2013, 07:56 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by UConnUCFjags - 12-22-2013, 07:57 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by NH3 - 12-22-2013, 08:02 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by UConnUCFjags - 12-22-2013, 08:05 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by TTechJag85 - 12-22-2013, 08:05 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by TJBender - 12-22-2013, 08:12 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by Mowerguy - 12-22-2013, 08:13 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by TJBender - 12-22-2013, 08:22 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by SuperJville - 12-22-2013, 08:24 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by archer56 - 12-22-2013, 08:46 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by JaxxnateNH - 12-22-2013, 08:47 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by JaxxnateNH - 12-22-2013, 08:58 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by C'MON JAGS - 12-22-2013, 09:00 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by C'MON JAGS - 12-22-2013, 09:03 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by archer56 - 12-22-2013, 09:08 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by JaxxnateNH - 12-22-2013, 09:18 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by C'MON JAGS - 12-22-2013, 09:23 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by JaxxnateNH - 12-22-2013, 09:29 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by Jinjo - 12-23-2013, 02:14 AM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by JaguarsWoman - 12-23-2013, 02:53 AM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by JaguarsWoman - 12-23-2013, 03:22 AM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by archer56 - 12-23-2013, 03:33 AM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by JaguarsWoman - 12-23-2013, 03:37 AM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by archer56 - 12-23-2013, 03:49 AM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by Bullseye - 12-23-2013, 04:51 AM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by NYC4jags - 12-23-2013, 05:04 AM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by FreeAgent01 - 12-23-2013, 05:19 AM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by Dockerill91 - 12-23-2013, 05:50 AM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by DewtheMathis - 12-23-2013, 08:49 AM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by Newbie - 12-23-2013, 09:23 AM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by Newbie - 12-23-2013, 09:29 AM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by Newbie - 12-23-2013, 09:31 AM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by DewtheMathis - 12-23-2013, 09:34 AM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by Solid Snake - 12-23-2013, 09:43 AM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by JAXsonVIL - 12-23-2013, 09:44 AM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by NYC4jags - 12-23-2013, 12:43 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by trunt87 - 12-23-2013, 12:46 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by Jagwired'd - 12-23-2013, 12:53 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by bleedteal904 - 12-23-2013, 12:56 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by StroudCrowd1 - 12-23-2013, 01:00 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by NYC4jags - 12-23-2013, 01:05 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by StroudCrowd1 - 12-23-2013, 01:11 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by HolsterHusto - 12-23-2013, 01:51 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by JaguarsWoman - 12-23-2013, 02:14 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by archer56 - 12-23-2013, 02:16 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by archer56 - 12-23-2013, 02:17 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by JaguarsWoman - 12-23-2013, 02:37 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by archer56 - 12-23-2013, 02:40 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by JaguarsWoman - 12-23-2013, 02:43 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by burt1jason - 12-23-2013, 02:44 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by JaguarsWoman - 12-23-2013, 02:45 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by JaguarsWoman - 12-23-2013, 02:46 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by archer56 - 12-23-2013, 02:50 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by archer56 - 12-23-2013, 02:51 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by archer56 - 12-23-2013, 02:54 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by Solid Snake - 12-23-2013, 02:58 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by JaguarsWoman - 12-23-2013, 03:10 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by JaguarsWoman - 12-23-2013, 03:13 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by FBT - 12-23-2013, 03:20 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by archer56 - 12-23-2013, 03:36 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by TJBender - 12-23-2013, 05:44 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by JaguarsWoman - 12-23-2013, 05:56 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by ajagsfan - 12-23-2013, 06:02 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by ajagsfan - 12-23-2013, 06:05 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by JaguarsWoman - 12-23-2013, 06:10 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by JaguarsWoman - 12-23-2013, 06:12 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by ajagsfan - 12-23-2013, 06:13 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by foo895 - 12-23-2013, 06:31 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by ajagsfan - 12-23-2013, 06:32 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by jaguarmvp - 12-23-2013, 07:30 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by Solid Snake - 12-23-2013, 08:33 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by SuperJville - 12-23-2013, 08:35 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by SpeedyG - 12-23-2013, 09:27 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by archer56 - 12-23-2013, 10:23 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by JaguarsWoman - 12-23-2013, 11:35 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by foo895 - 12-23-2013, 11:48 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by Bullseye - 12-24-2013, 03:00 AM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by jagforlife85 - 12-24-2013, 11:02 AM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by ukjag34 - 12-24-2013, 11:58 AM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by BroncoGuy - 12-24-2013, 12:01 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by David4499 - 12-24-2013, 01:16 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by JaguarsWoman - 12-24-2013, 03:35 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by Cleatwood - 12-24-2013, 04:38 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by xJAGGYx - 12-24-2013, 04:46 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by Cleatwood - 12-24-2013, 04:47 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by archer56 - 12-25-2013, 12:24 AM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by TJBender - 12-25-2013, 12:28 AM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by The Mad Dog - 12-25-2013, 04:14 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by jagsfreak27 - 12-25-2013, 04:17 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by Jinjo - 12-25-2013, 04:43 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by JaguarsWoman - 12-25-2013, 05:17 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by HIGH SCORE - 12-25-2013, 05:30 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by The Mad Dog - 12-25-2013, 05:33 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by The Mad Dog - 12-25-2013, 05:34 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by JaguarsWoman - 12-25-2013, 05:35 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by JaguarsWoman - 12-25-2013, 05:39 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by jagsfreak27 - 12-25-2013, 06:50 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by The Mad Dog - 12-25-2013, 06:53 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by JaxxnateNH - 12-25-2013, 07:12 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by C'MON JAGS - 12-26-2013, 01:10 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by MoJo44 - 12-26-2013, 01:23 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by The Mad Dog - 12-26-2013, 01:28 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by Adam2012 - 12-26-2013, 01:35 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by Swaguars - 12-26-2013, 01:35 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by JaguarsWoman - 12-26-2013, 01:40 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by archer56 - 12-26-2013, 02:56 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by JaguarsWoman - 12-26-2013, 03:07 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by archer56 - 12-26-2013, 03:43 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by JaguarsWoman - 12-26-2013, 04:07 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by archer56 - 12-26-2013, 10:23 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by jaguarmvp - 12-27-2013, 12:44 AM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by JaguarsWoman - 12-27-2013, 01:25 AM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by JaxxnateNH - 12-27-2013, 08:38 AM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by JaguarsWoman - 12-27-2013, 12:02 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by Atreas - 12-27-2013, 12:38 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by jagsfaninmo - 12-27-2013, 12:41 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by JaguarsWoman - 12-27-2013, 12:58 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by JaguarsWoman - 12-27-2013, 01:02 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by jagsfaninmo - 12-27-2013, 01:09 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by JaguarsWoman - 12-27-2013, 01:15 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by Kane - 12-27-2013, 01:34 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by JaguarsWoman - 12-27-2013, 01:42 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by Kane - 12-27-2013, 01:47 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by JaguarsWoman - 12-27-2013, 02:09 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by TJBender - 12-27-2013, 03:06 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by SuperJville - 12-27-2013, 03:32 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by Kane - 12-27-2013, 03:44 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by JaguarsWoman - 12-27-2013, 04:08 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by archer56 - 12-28-2013, 01:51 AM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by JaguarsWoman - 12-28-2013, 02:00 AM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by archer56 - 12-28-2013, 11:21 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by JaguarsWoman - 12-29-2013, 06:06 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by Cleatwood - 12-29-2013, 06:14 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by The Mad Dog - 12-30-2013, 04:46 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by Shack Del Rio - 12-30-2013, 04:50 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by Jags32250 - 12-30-2013, 04:55 PM
Draft Position after Tenn Loss - by The Mad Dog - 12-30-2013, 04:58 PM
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