Quote:A great coach makes the most out of the players they have. Bill with a bunch of no bodys won the superbowl. The panthers with a bunch of nobodys got into the championship game. Delrio with hardly anyone made the afc championship game. So really? No evidence? Or the fact ya hanging on to the 90s. We'll step into the future. This is not 99 tom. This is 2017 tom. at 71 years old. And the last two seasons went 0-6 and 2-8.


Or would you like to argue teams without many pro bowlers can't start above 2-8 or -06? Cause I can give you countless examples of why you are in fact wrong.


I believe the cowboys with an unknown nfl qb rookie and a rookie rb is off to the playoffs. But the counter is rookies cant produce right away right?

A great coach can add value for sure, but no coach is making chicken salad out of chicken [BAD WORD REMOVED]. I didn't say you had "no evidence", I said you ignored evidence that contradicted you. You're free to arrive at a different conclusion, but ignore information at your own detriment.

Quote:2014 Giants

Record 6-10
<a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nyg/2014.htm#team_stats::none'>Off. & Def Rankings </a>


Key Defensive Departures:


Antrel Rolle S (Age 32: Started all 16 games for the Giants that year, played in only 7 games for Chicago in 2015 and is now out of the league)

Quintin Demps S (Age 29: Played in 16 games (started 9) for the Giants that year, signed with Houston in 2015 and is still playing there)

Stevie Brown S (Age 27: Played in 16 games (started 8) for the Giants that year, out of the league in 2015)

Mathias Kiwanuka DE (Age 31: Played in 11 games (started 11) for the Giants that year, out of the league in 2015)

Jameel McClain MLB (Age 29: Played in 16 games (started 14) for the Giants that year, out of the league in 2015)

Mike Patterson DT (Age 31: Played in 16 games (started 8) for the the Giants that year, out of the league in 2015)

Jacquian Williams OLB (Age 26: Played in 9 games (started 9) for the Giants that year, out of the league in 2015)



2015 Giants

Record 6-10
<a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nyg/2015.htm#team_stats::none'>Off. & Def. Rankings</a>


Key Defensive Departures:


Jasper Brinkley MLB (Age 30: Played in 15 games (started 9) for the Giants that year, out of the league in 2016)

Trumaine McBride CB (Age 30: Played in 15 games (started 0) for the Giants that year, out of the league in 2016)

Cullen Jenkins DT (Age 34: Played in 16 games (started 14) for the Giants that year, back up (0 starts) for Washington in 2016)

Brandon Meriweather S (Age 31: Played in 13 games (started 12) for the Giants that year, out of the league in 2016)

Craig Dahl S (Age 30: Played in 15 games (started 4) for the Giants that year, out of the league in 2016)

Jayron Hosley CB (Age 25: Played in 14 games (started 6) for the Giants that year, out of the league in 2016)

Uani Unga DE/MLB (Age 28: Played in 13 games (started 3) for the Giants that year, out of the league in 2016)

George Selvie DE (Age 28: Played in 12 games (started 3) for the Giants that year, out of the league in 2016)

Prince Amukamara CB (Age 26: Played in 11 games (started 10) for the Giants that year, currently playing well for the Jaguars in 2016)

Markus Kuhn DT (Age 29: Played in 10 games (started 7) for the Giants that year, out of the league in 2016)

Jon Beason MLB (Age 30: Played in 5 games (started 4) for the Giants that year, out of the league in 2016)

Robert Ayers DE (Age 30: Played in 12 games (started 11) for the Giants that year, signed with Tampa for 2016)


Other issues:


Jason Pierre-Paul blows hand off in fireworks accident in July 2015. He plays and starts in 8 games that year, registering only 1 sack. Team as a whole registers only 23 sacks.

You can arrive at any conclusion you want on the above info. It looks to me like a lot of defensive players that got starts for them in his final two years ended up on the street the following year. Many of those guys probably weren't starter material to begin with or were in the twilight of their career playing at a much lower level than they once had. A quick look at 2013 shows them letting Linval Joseph walk in free agency which in retrospect looks like a big mistake. Also, Eli had 29 turnovers in 2013 (27 Ints, 2 fumbles lost). They went 7-9 in 2013.


I believe the only reason Jerry Reese wasn't let go when Coughlin was is because he had just hit a home run by drafting Odell Beckham the year before. But the lack of attention to the defensive side of the ball is evident. And as a result, the lack of production there is not surprising.

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