Quote:Chances are you are going to be disappointed next season then. If this regime is serious about Bortles then they will likely be taking Fournette and suring up the o-line this year. Right now he's our best edge rusher so get ready for more Ngakoue. 

I don't care if we take Fournette so no  I will not be. But if you think Ngakoue starting next year is a good thing and we shouldn't upgrade over him "just because" then you are fooling yourself. We went 3-13, everything should be subject to an upgrade. Just because he was a rookie does not exempt him from this, especially when he wasn't even as good as you all are making out. 

 

Quote:Dude, you are the one that needs to go back and watch the tape. Ngakoue isn't very good against the run, but he doesn't suck...

 

Ngakoue was tremendous for a rookie as far as pass rushing goes. He has all the makings of a consistent double digit (albeit low double digit most likely) sack guy in this league. That isn't "off the bench" material.

 

I like Fowler a lot, but there is no way you can sit here with a straight face and think as a pass rusher Fowler will be anywhere near Ngakoue as a consistent threat. Ngakoue was consistently beating high end LT's like Lewan, Cordy Glenn, Castanzo, etc. Fowler on the other hand did have his moments but they were few and far between (like most rookie edge rushers who comes into the league are). 

 

We hit it big with Ngakoue, period. You saying people are overrating him, well you are severely underrating him.

He does suck against the run. He's lucky this defense is built to take pressure off of the weakside rusher or he would have gotten exposed even more. He gets barely any push and was regularly getting eaten on run downs. Considering I have gamepass and was just watching him get destroyed multiple times in multiple games I'm pretty confident I have went and watched the tape. I can literally count on one finger how many times a made a good  play against the run.

 

He does not have the making of a consistent double digit sacker, especially considering he shouldn't even be starting all 3 downs. As I said, he is a designated pass rusher. He has good bend and and speed for the position, but he is not that strong or athletic. He is a good technician. He is a SLIGHTLY above average pass rusher in the league, that's it. That is not the type of guy who should be starting for your team. He is so overrated by this fanbase just because he was freaking decent. Take off the teal glasses people.

 

And yes I can say that, because I actually watch tape and traits like you are supposed to and not just take superficial crap at face value. Fowler is bigger, faster, more athletic, better against the run, a harder hitter, better tone setter,  better edge setter, more dynamic, and has all the traits Ngakoue has as a pass rusher. The ONLY thing Ngakoue is better at than Fowler is his technique as a pass rusher, plain and simple. If Fowler improves his technique this offseason and develops NFL moves then he has the potential to be one of the best edge rushers in the league, in the same class as Olivier Vernon, Chandler Jones, JPP; just a tier below guys like Von Miller and Khalil Mack. Ngakoue will never be that, and will always be just a slightly above average player. A nice piece to have off the bench? Yes. As a starter? NO, it means your DL is NOT good enough. Will Fowler ever be able to improve his technique? Who knows, but I would put my money on the answer being yes and not to get caught up in this year because he was essentially a rookie. Everyone thought Vic Beasley was a bust last year too even though we know pass rusher struggle in their rookie years.

 

Also, Ngakoue was not "consistently" beating those guys. He had a few good rushes on them, please do not pretend like he was anything close to dominant. It's a reason our pass rush was STILL lethargic this year and we STILL ranked near the bottom in the league in pressures, and that's because Ngakoue, not just Fowler, was not getting consistent pressure like you're all pretending.

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