Quote:So Yannick sucks against the run currently, and were assuming he can not and will not get better at that.


But fowler isnt good at rushing off the edge, a significantly harder thing to do. But were assuming he will get better at that because of his *natural talent* which im gonna assume equates to athleticis, despite not having the athletic measurables that regularly point to a good pass rusher. Im just confused on how we get to fowler becoming good at something with no correlating evidence but yannick doesnt get the same benefit?


Yannick played very well for a rookie pass rusher. You can disagree if you'd like. You can hop wayyyy up on that high horse of yours and tell me all about the tape, and the eye test and whatever else you think is gonna convince me you're opinion is more valid with. But Ill reiterate, Im not saying he has arrived, Im not saying hes guaranteed 20 sacks. Im saying that he should be given the opportunity to continue to earn his starting job by building on a promising rookie season. As of right now, I have no reason to assume he has reached his ceiling, how high that ceiling is i dont know. Im just of the opinion that yannick is better than you believe he is, and that he should earn a starting spot opposite Jonathan allen or JPP while we make use of the others assets at other positions, and supplement them both with more pass rushers whether that be in FA or the 2nd or later rounds of the draft given the class of pass rushers this year.

He didn't show anything to suggest he can get better at it and his profile suggests he won't. He is woefully undersized for a real defensive end at 6'2'' 246lbs. That is why he was a third round pick in the first place, the guy is the textbook definition of a designated pass rusher. The actual prototypical size of 4-3 DEs is 6'5'' 270lbs. Anything below 6'3'' 260lbs and you're asking for trouble as a traditional 4-3 end. He also has short arms, which as a pass rusher doesn't matter as much but against the run means he gets engulfed and can't disengage from lineman. 

 

OTOH, Fowler has the profile to improve as a pass rusher while also being good against the run. His arms are 34 inches long which means he has no trouble disengaging, and while they made him lose weight he is still bigger than Ngakoue and can bulk up to 260lbs easily. He also has a better profile as a pass rusher. And please lets not start on that BS "athletic measureable that equate to pass rushing". On tape Fowler has shown everything you want to see from a pass rusher, he has just yet to put it all together. He shows the ability to use his hands and feet at the same time, good hand usage, great first step, smooth change of direction, bend, suddenness, power, everything. The problem with Fowler, again, is that his technique is horrible and because Florida never reigned him in he wasn't disciplined as a pass rusher. It's two completely different cases between him and Ngakoue. One has the profile of a guy who can be elite, one doesn't, plain and simple. Which is why one was drafted 3rd overall and one was a third round pick. There was a reason for that.

 

I didn't say Ngakoue played poorly, he played well within the context of what was expected from him. But if you look around the league and take him out of the vaccum of what is expected from a third round rookie, then he was NOT all that great, he was average AT BEST when taking into account all phases of the game, and a slightly above average pass rusher. He won't get much better than that, so to say we should role into next season with him the starter just because he has 8 sacks this season is poor judgement.

 

He will get a chance to compete for a starting job, he just won't win, and the fact you don't want both Allen and JPP shows you don't think he could beat them out. This in itself is a good thing and my whole point. Ngakoue should be coming off the bench, and we should acquire players that will push him down the depth chart. That is the sign of a team getting better. We should not shy away from bringing in both Allen and JPP just so Ngakoue can start, that is dumb logic. If Allen is there when we pick and he is the highest rated prospect on our board then we should take him. If JPP is our highest rated FA or one of them then we should sign him. There is nothing wrong with adding players who will make the guys who were big contributors to us last year sit. Ngakoue is not as good of a player as JPP, and he is not as good as what Jonathan Allen probably will be. So if he can't beat them out then that shows you we just got better.

 

Quote:Telvin Smith was drafted rd 5. Linder was drafted rd 3. A-Rob was drafted at the bottom of rd 2. Allen Hurns wasn't drafted.

 

Who the hell cares where the player went? Players are found everywhere in the draft. We hit it with him. He has a season under his belt, where he was drafted means zilch now.

I'm not the one who brought up where they went so talk to the other guy dude.

 

That's exactly my point, doesn't matter where they went, and it doesn't matter what their role on the team was this year either. They should be evaluated based on what gives us the best opportunity to put the best product on the field and the fact of the matter is Ngakoue is infinitely upgradeable as a starter.

 

Quote:My point is our run defense wasn't losing us games. We get it. You want a big beefy d-line. You do need speed on the edge in a passing league. 

And we would have speed on the edge with Fowler and Ngakoue coming off the bench. I don't understand your point. How is it a bad thing to have a player who is better against the run on the field on run downs?? Are you goobers not getting the fact that Ngakoue would still be on the field on the plays where he's actually good at?? Why would you want a guy who sucks against the run on the field over a guy who is awesome against it? Some of you are so blinded by confirmation bias and conventional fanboyism that you can't see Ngakoue is not the freaking second coming, and most certainly not above getting a BETTER player over.

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