Quote:How do I have a vendetta against him? All I'm doing is stating my opinion and calling a spade. Did I even begin the thread with "Ngakoue sucks and he shoudl sit". No, I didn't. Someone brought up Ngakoue and I said he is not the type of guy you pass over adding Jonathan Allen for. Apparently this means I have a vendetta. All I'm stating is facts. He sucked against the run, and was slightly above average as a pass rusher, creating a player that league average at best and is best suited as a designated pass rusher off the bench which is what he would be on any team with an actually good starting DL. But, apparently just having an honest evaluation not influenced by teal bias means I have a vendetta against him. No, I'm just not about to agree with the echo chamber that Ngakoue was awesome at everything and should start next season. Would I ball my eyes out if Ngakoue is the starter? No, but I will definitely take it as a sign that the DL will not be any better next year if he is, which means it will still be near the bottom of the league.


And no he wasn't. Again, go back and actually watch. Just because he had a few decent rushes does not mean he was getting pressure on a consistent basis. If he was we would not be at the bottom of the league in pressures. Like, it's not even hard to figure out. All you have to do is be honest with yourself and not hold onto the need to have a player be better than he is. This is exactly the same mentality that fooled everyone into thinking Bortles was ascending last year when there were clear signs that he still sucked, or at least wasn't as good as the echo chamber was making him out to be.


How? From what I can tell I am the only one here with any kind of objectivity and the fact it takes 3 of you shows this.


Yeah, having a different opinion from the echo chamber means I'm trolling. And please point out these "large chunk(s) of games" where he abused the LT. His best game was against Baltimore, sure. But at best he had 3 games where he was putting on consistent pressure, out of a 16 game season. Again, he was decent, not great or even necessarily "good" by league standards. And I never said Fowler was a good pass rusher this year so not sure what your point in bringing that up is.


Bow out, you clearly have nothing of substance to add other than conventional Jaguar fanboy wisdom.


Thanks for strawmanning what I said.


And here is what you people actually have against Fowler. lol. Guess what, Chandler Jones, Olivier Vernon, Joey Bosa, Brandon Graham, Melvin Ingram, Whitney Mercilus, James Harrison, Cameron Jordan, Jadeveon Clowney Michael Bennett...i.e. almost every single one of the top edge rushers this year outside of Von Miller, Vic Beasley, JPP, and Khalil Mack were NOT force players. You do NOT have to be a force player to be a good pass rusher and I wish this line of thought would die already. In the first place, FP is a measure of who has the most likelihood to get a bunch of sacks basically, not who will be the best all around players. Ngakoue also was not a force player and you people love him. FP should not in anyway be used as an indication of whether a first round player will succeed, at best it is a sack predictor, not an actual predictor of how effective a guy will be at putting pressure on QBs. And Fowler is similar to 3 of those guys listed in terms of how he tested athletically (Vernon, Jones, Mercilus) and as a player is almost a direct copy of Mercilus.


It's amazing how you people sit here and bash KYJaggy and then turn around and use the exact same logic. LOL.