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Right to Work gaining momentum

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02-12-2017, 06:26 PM

Quote:Of course not.  I would not have given one penny of my own cash to support HRC or the DNC.

 

You are right that unions represent their own interests.  So now, explain what you think their interests are.

 

You make it sound as if the only reason they exist is to give money to the Democratic party.  If that is all they did, they wouldn't have any members and wouldn't even exist.  The men and women in congress who support unions and actively assist in pushing through legislation that continues to aid unions (and their members) get supported.  That well of money has to yield some benefits to union members, else it will dry up really fast.

 

If union members are unhappy with their union's leadership it will get replaced.  This happens often.  Nationally, our union had a huge turnover a few years ago.  Around the same time, our local leadership was ousted and completely replaced.  All this while Obama was in the middle of his 8 year stint as president.  Think about that.
 

Quote:Of course not.  I would not have given one penny of my own cash to support HRC or the DNC.

 

You are right that unions represent their own interests.  So now, explain what you think their interests are.

 

You make it sound as if the only reason they exist is to give money to the Democratic party.  If that is all they did, they wouldn't have any members and wouldn't even exist.  The men and women in congress who support unions and actively assist in pushing through legislation that continues to aid unions (and their members) get supported.  That well of money has to yield some benefits to union members, else it will dry up really fast.

 

If union members are unhappy with their union's leadership it will get replaced.  This happens often.  Nationally, our union had a huge turnover a few years ago.  Around the same time, our local leadership was ousted and completely replaced.  All this while Obama was in the middle of his 8 year stint as president.  Think about that.
 

To answer the part in bold, it's all about money.  It's actually "easy money" for them and has been going on for decades.  They pay politicians, then politicians "pay" them back with favorable legislation.  They masquerade as "fighting for workers", yet much of what they claim to "fight for" has been either legislated or is common practice.  As an example.  Overtime?  There is a law for that.

 

I'll give you guys a hint here.  Pay scale isn't determined by unions, it's determined by the private sector.  You want a higher salary?  You'll get it, but at the expense of losing something else.  Perhaps your 401k option(s) aren't very good and the company won't match your contribution, or your healthcare "benefit" might cost a bit more.

 

The bottom line is, your job is worth "X" number of dollars to a company.  The company will pay it out in salary and/or "benefits", it's just a matter of how it's all distributed.  A union NEVER gets "more" of anything it just gets a "bigger slice of the pie" directed somewhere else.

 

The company might agree that you get "more" of something, but it's just because they can have that much "more" to write off on their taxes.

 

Meanwhile, your "union" isn't really doing anything for you and is extracting money from your paycheck in order to fund itself and it's political interests.


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Right to Work gaining momentum - by jagibelieve - 02-06-2017, 05:48 PM
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