Quote:But yet some would have you believe this is some new fad. Just even a basic knowledge of history would go a long way!

Ya I'm a huge fan of history, if you ever want to enjoy history check out Dan Carlins podcast hardcore history.  He made me understand the clusterflock that is ww1.  


Another good one if you want to understand the Iraq puzzle and how we got there is a pbs documentary called Losing Iraq.


I think the biggest problem people have with their opinions is that they look at all historical events with hindsight.  If you really want to understand why things when down the way they did you have to look at the decisions leading up to it and the information available at the time.


My gfs hyper religious father who wanted to start the great Muslim debate with me kept saying to me we should have never been there, which is true in some senses.  But if you don't go off the info you have and deemed to be good at the time than you failing to protect your citizens, if you don't go in you are also being Okay with Hussain atrocities including his son running a Rape Palace.


Apologies if this is starting to turn into a book,


He also said Christians that murdered people (say like the conquistadors) were not real christians due to the way they acted.  I was telling him you can use the same argument towards radical muslims.  At some point you can't argue with these people because they are stuck on 100% I'm right mode.

 

Islam as a whole needs to be fixed.  The widespread beliefs that...

• woman are inferior
  
• homosexuality deserves punishment
  
• murder is justified if its someone who thinks differently
  
• other religions are inferior 
  

Sure the bombing of these places and 15+ year occupancy doesn't help, neither does bringing them all into this country where they do not assimilate well.  I don't see how a travel ban hurts a fight against a group, if anything it restricts that group from escaping to the United States.


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