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Obama Administration Wiretapped Trump Campaign?


Quote:So, let's review.  

 

This is what Trump said: 

 

Terrible! Just found out that Obama had my "wires tapped" in Trump Tower just before the victory. Nothing found. This is McCarthyism!

Is it legal for a sitting President to be "wire tapping" a race for president prior to an election? Turned down by court earlier. A NEW LOW!

I'd bet a good lawyer could make a great case out of the fact that President Obama was tapping my phones in October, just prior to Election!

How low has President Obama gone to tapp my phones during the very sacred election process. This is Nixon/Watergate. Bad (or sick) guy!

 

Okay, that's exactly what Trump said, verbatim.   

 

Now, what does the article you cite say? 

 

"Members of the Donald Trump transition team, possibly including Trump himself, were under U.S. government surveillance following November’s presidential election, House Intelligence Chairman Devin Nunes (R-Calif.) told reporters Wednesday."

"Nunes said the monitoring appeared to be done legally..."

"Nunes described the surveillance as most likely being “incidental collection.” This can occur when a person inside the United States communicates with a foreign target of U.S. surveillance."

 

1) Does the article cited say Obama did it?   No.

2) Does the article cited say it was done illegally?  No.

3) Does the article say it was done before the election, as Trump alleged?  No. 

 

So what the hell is this article supposed to prove?  Or even allege?   It alleges that someone from a foreign power was under routine surveillance, and someone from the Trump team was caught communicating with this foreign person.  

 

What's the real bottom line here?  

 

Someone from the Trump team was communicating with someone from a foreign power who was under surveillance by our intelligence agencies.
 

Trump never said the surveillance was illegal other than questioning whether or not it was. He touched on the fact that the first request to do this surveillance submitted to the FISA court was rejected, but it is a fact that was reported back in early November that the second request just before the election was actually granted to look into ties between the Trump campaign and Russia.

 

I know you won't find it even remotely curious that we have all of these leaks that came out after the fact, but those leaks absolutely confirm that the Trump team was under surveillance, and someone was using the data collected to damage the administration before they even took office.  The leaks were illegal. 

 

How stupid do you need to be to think Obama would personally do this?  I know that you need to take that literally because otherwise, it doesn't prop up your position.  Being the president is a lot like being the head coach of a football team.  If your staff or players screw up, you take the heat for it.  So, when the Jaguars make a boneheaded mistake that cost them the game, how many times last year was the blame dumped on Bradley even though it could have been a coordinator or a player who actually screwed up?  The same thing is the case here where it's easier to say "Obama did XYZ" than to go through the litany of who actually ordered the surveillance.  At the end of the day, if you honestly believe Obama had no idea this was happening, you need to pull your head out of whatever orifice you've had it stuck in because you're bound to suffocate.  The very fact that these confidential discussions, which were NOT illegal, especially where Flynn is concerned, were leaked to the media speaks to a political intention, and there's only one person who would have had the inclination to go down that path to protect his "legacy".  Don't kid yourself.

 

Feel free to tell us what Flynn did that was illegal.  As the incoming National Security Advisor, he was doing what his predecessors had done previously, making phone calls to foreign leaders/diplomats.  He wasn't talking policy, or doing anything nefarious.  He was doing the same outreach Obama's incoming National Security Advisor did prior to him assuming the presidency back in 2009.  The only difference is that Bush didn't order his minions to spy on the incoming administration to dig up dirt so that he could continue to meddle and undermine the incoming administration.  We know the motivation is completely different for your messiah..

Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
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