Create Account



The Jungle is self-supported by showing advertisements via Google Adsense.
Please consider disabling your advertisement-blocking plugin on the Jungle to help support the site and let us grow!
We also show significantly less advertisements to registered users, so create your account to benefit from this!
Questions or concerns about this ad? Take a screenshot and comment in the thread. We do value your feedback.
Las Vegas Raiders

#30
(This post was last modified: 03-31-2017, 07:48 PM by Bullseye.)

Quote:Sorry but I'm calling ya on the last statement. St Louis did put forth a stadium proposal; Kroenke basically ignored it. He tanked it there on purpose; he always wanted that team in LA, and never acted in good faith. That's why I'm glad he didn't get the Jaguars; otherwise it probably be us in LA and Shad would be investing in the St Louis Rams
 

 

I indicated they did not put forth a viable stadium proposal " in time to stop Kroenke from exploring the Los Angeles market."

 

Kroenke assumed majority control of the Rams in 2010.

 

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/football/...76183.html

 

An interesting blurb in the article suggests the stadium was an issue before he gained majority control...

 

Quote: 

But to some observers, Kroenke's purchase also raises concerns about the long-term viability of the Rams franchise in St. Louis. With a stadium lease issue on the horizon, a worst-case situation could have the Rams free to leave St. Louis after the 2014 season.
 

 

On or around Feb 1 2014, Kroenke purchased 60 acres of land in Los Angeles.

 

Espn details the timeline

 

http://www.espn.com/los-angeles/nfl/stor...os-angeles

 

Of note...

 

Quote: 

In 2012, the St. Louis Convention and Visitors Commission proposed a $124 million upgrade to help the Edward Jones Dome reach the "first tier" standard.

The Rams countered with a more elaborate proposal that was estimated to cost close to $700 million.

 
In February of last year, an arbitrator heard both proposals and ruled in favor of the Rams. Soon after, the commission made it clear it does not intend to follow through with the plan, meaning the lease will almost certainly expire after next season.
 

St. Louis knew of the clause in the lease it negotiated with the Rams.  St. Louis knew that if the stadium was not up to par in accordance to the terms it negotiated, the Rams could leave.  St. Louis knew there was a dispute over the meaning of those terms.  They went to arbitration and the two proposals were heard, and St. Louis knew the arbitrator agreed with the Rams.  St. Louis then decided to let the agreement lapse.  Based upon the timeline established by the article, after this is when Kroenke purchased the 60 acres of land in Los Angeles.

 

In 2015-three years after the proposals referenced above and a year after Kroenke bought the 60 acres in Los Angeles, St. Louis proposed an open air stadium for $988 million-almost $300 million more than the Kroenke proposal they rejected and the arbitrator accepted.

 

http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/st-lo...les-080315

 

Taking these at face value, I think St. Louis had actual and constructive (knew or should have known) notice of the terms of the lease, the state of the stadium, and the Rams dissatisfaction.  They had knowledge the Rams found their proposal inadequate.  When the arbitrator ruled against St. Louis, they decided to let the lease lapse.

 

St. Louis lowballed and dragged their feet until it was too late.

 

What makes this particularly bad is that St. Louis had experience with this very dynamic back in the 1980s.


 

Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!





Reply


Messages In This Thread
Las Vegas Raiders - by StroudCrowd1 - 03-28-2017, 01:05 AM
Las Vegas Raiders - by Samjag904 - 03-28-2017, 07:06 AM
Las Vegas Raiders - by RicoTx - 03-28-2017, 08:46 AM
Las Vegas Raiders - by MalabarJag - 03-28-2017, 09:49 AM
Las Vegas Raiders - by RicoTx - 03-28-2017, 10:16 AM
Las Vegas Raiders - by superfan32 - 03-28-2017, 10:21 AM
Las Vegas Raiders - by RicoTx - 03-28-2017, 10:22 AM
Las Vegas Raiders - by MalabarJag - 03-28-2017, 11:54 AM
Las Vegas Raiders - by Adam2012 - 03-28-2017, 12:17 PM
Las Vegas Raiders - by superfan32 - 03-28-2017, 12:21 PM
Las Vegas Raiders - by scottyg - 03-28-2017, 12:35 PM
Las Vegas Raiders - by superfan32 - 03-28-2017, 12:38 PM
Las Vegas Raiders - by TheDogCatcher - 03-28-2017, 12:50 PM
Las Vegas Raiders - by WingerDinger - 03-28-2017, 01:06 PM
Las Vegas Raiders - by HURRICANE!!! - 03-28-2017, 01:17 PM
Las Vegas Raiders - by HURRICANE!!! - 03-28-2017, 01:22 PM
Las Vegas Raiders - by VisitingCobra - 03-28-2017, 01:49 PM
Las Vegas Raiders - by pirkster - 03-28-2017, 02:27 PM
Las Vegas Raiders - by knarnn - 03-28-2017, 03:10 PM
Las Vegas Raiders - by knarnn - 03-28-2017, 03:10 PM
Las Vegas Raiders - by StroudCrowd1 - 03-28-2017, 03:17 PM
Las Vegas Raiders - by pirkster - 03-28-2017, 04:50 PM
Las Vegas Raiders - by FBT - 03-28-2017, 05:10 PM
Las Vegas Raiders - by Geen - 03-28-2017, 06:41 PM
Las Vegas Raiders - by HURRICANE!!! - 03-28-2017, 08:03 PM
Las Vegas Raiders - by Bullseye - 03-30-2017, 08:20 AM
Las Vegas Raiders - by HURRICANE!!! - 03-30-2017, 09:11 AM
Las Vegas Raiders - by SamusAranX - 03-31-2017, 09:34 AM
Las Vegas Raiders - by Bullseye - 03-31-2017, 06:16 PM
Las Vegas Raiders - by HandsomeRob86 - 04-04-2017, 09:31 PM
Las Vegas Raiders - by Samjag904 - 03-29-2017, 05:03 AM



Users browsing this thread:

The Jungle is self-supported by showing advertisements via Google Adsense.
Please consider disabling your advertisement-blocking plugin on the Jungle to help support the site and let us grow!
We also show less advertisements to registered users, so create your account to benefit from this!
Questions or concerns about this ad? Take a screenshot and comment in the thread. We do value your feedback.


ABOUT US
The Jungle Forums is the Jaguars' biggest fan message board. Talking about the Jags since 2006, the Jungle was the team-endorsed home of all things Jaguars.

Since 2017, the Jungle is now independent of the team but still run by the same crew. We are here to support and discuss all things Jaguars and all things Duval!