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ukjag34 · 01-02-2014, 04:19 PM

Quote:ukjag34, have you ever watched him play?

no kodiak

i am making this much of a fuss based on no film study

yes i have watched him play but with manziel i don't see it

can someone list his good points too me because no matter how many times I watch him, i just don't see it

i see these good points

fantastic feet-

no denying it shifty as a whippet and moves like a greyhound- can't argue with that is a true duel threat qb

improvisation-

shifts the pocket well can step up and throw or relocate the pocket or take off and get yards

can throw the ball from any position-

the best qb to my mind is aaron rodgers the factor that takes him above the other three (brees manning brady ) is that he can roll out and still throw just as well and throw on the run. manziel certainly has that ability and more

plays well under pressure-

has all that attention and still brings it- fair play to the kid

reputation-

would bring attention to town

so there's your good points, no denying them- reminds me of a more clutch rg3

bad points

relies too much on the read option-

manziel runs the ball far too often. His typical first down is a read option run for about 4-8. That puts him at 2nd and 4 which opens up his options so much and puts him under next to no pressure on the next down... he can run it... hand it off... short throw long throw eveything is possible.

that first read option run will not last or work in the nfl, nfl coaches will scheme for it and eliminate it- see rg3 and kapernick- it will work occassionally but not as often as manziel seems to need it to to work in college

sets his mind too early-

if manziel decides to pass he passes... the pocket can be collapsing around him and he will do pirouettes and back flip to get away but then lob a massive jump ball into the middle of the field instead of just running it for a couple of yards or just throwing it away

runs from clean pockets-

the slightest sign of pressure manziel will go, his pocket presence is excellent but i've only seen him step up when he had to, ie both de's coming round the sides and being pushed deep by his tackles. Kudos to him for stepping up on that occassion but typically he rolls out cutting off half the field

great receivers-

those jump balls and 50/ 50 passes usually go his way whilst even against bama people were coming wide open for him on the deep routes

Just notice as well when evans has a bad game or is well covered manziel puts up bad numbers

footwork-

he does this wierd hoppy thing when he is going to pass i can't really describe it but he sort of skips but it's higher than anything i've seen before... i wonder if it's looking over the line or constantly wanting to take off but he doesn't plant nicely and that makes him loose power and float a few of his throws

middling accuracy-

he hits his receiver but he rarely leads his receiver tending to hit the guy in the chest or behind them on crossing routes rather than leading them into space where they could pick up extra numbers. Some short passes tend to float on him too and regularly receivershave to leap or skip for the ball rather than pulling it in cleanly even on short throws.

He also throws a fair bit worse if he is under pressure whilst being held inside the pocket if he can roll out and relocate great

offensive style-

relies on spread offenses, shotgun sets and doesn't make very many presnap reads, goes through his progressions quite nicely but takes too many risks and is easily bated into squeezing the ball into a tight spot that isn't always there, it's high risk high reward but those sort of throws will be punished far more often in the nfl than in college

not to mention the size and personality issues that everyone is talking about

beyond his athleticism i don't see anything that seperates him from the rest and he reminds me of an rg3 or a kapernick but without that fierce zip kaep puts on the ball

but with manziel i am genuinely open to being proven wrong