(07-20-2018, 11:28 AM)pirkster Wrote: I would encourage mikesez to study the history of the Declaration of Independence, our Constitution, and the amount of work that was put into them.  To learn who influenced them and collaborated to create them, and the historical societies and works they studied, and the books they wrote along the way... all the things that were combined to create the greatest nation.  They went way back to the works of Plato and others.  It's a fascinating history.

They applied "best practices" before the concept even existed.

They were much wiser and more focused than any politician or philosopher you could find today.  It could never be written today.  Today's politicians no longer know how to represent.  Only how to get elected.  That's the game it's become.  Yes, the founders warned us of that, too.  They were that good, and we've become that bad.  Today's politician has lost sight of what they're meant to be, and are slave to the game because one man can't beat it alone.

That's why it's refreshing to have an outsider in office shaking up the establishment.  We need so much more of that to get our federal government back on track to what it's supposed to be.  Lean and working in our best interest by leaving the majority of governing power to the states.  We need more independent thinking, solutions-based problem solvers and not outrage artists out to buy votes with emotions and legislate token feels in response.

You apparently stopped your reading way too soon. They weren't the saints you have portrayed them to be. They could be as partisan and self-interested as any of today's politicians. Try reading about the election of 1800. And the Federalist Papers were written because there were more sides to each argument. It was in no way cut and dried.

And you really shouldn't try to typecast "today's politician", since you know nothing about 99% of them. My guess is that most of them are hardworking and think they represent their constituents. And if they don't, whose fault is that? I know it's an American tradition to badmouth politicians, it's been going on since before 1776. But watch out what you wish for. We could end up with a New York real estate developer who is in way over his head. 

We are a constitutional republic - i.e., politicians run the show. As they should. Would you prefer it to be something else? You want the generals calling the shots? I don't think that advocating "an outsider" who has no clue how a constitutional republic works is really a good idea. On the job training can lead to real harm to our country.

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