(01-14-2019, 09:44 PM)hb1148 Wrote: (01-14-2019, 08:48 PM)JackCity Wrote: No, I don't anyone intentionally hires an awful coach. In the same way I don't think anyone intentionally drafts an awful player or signs an awful free agent. All of the above is a given.
You said what their peers say about them about them matters a lot more than any insight based on track record. I don't think thats a good way to evaluate any coach. Pete Carroll saying Tom Cable is an outstanding Oline coach doesn't actually make him one. Gus Bradley saying Greg Olson is an outstanding offensive mind doesn't make him one.
t to know how/why he did such a bad job or examples of Bucs fans hating him? Both can be provided.
That's not what I actually said. I said that what their peers say or think about them matters more than what fans think. The insight you're talking about tends to come from a stat or a formula or a particular set of circumstances whereas the professionals look at the context and the big picture. Perfect example, you think Greg Olson is a bad OC, but his peers think he's a pretty good one and if you look at his history in the league, that would tend to bear that out. Being a good coach in the NFL doesn't mean you're always going to be successful, that's the nature of the game. If fans called the shots, Belichick would have never gotten another shot after his tenure in Cleveland. Believe it or not, the people that make those decisions knew better.
That's not saying fans can't or shouldn't have their opinions, fans are going to fan. It's just more rational to take people who do this for a living a bit more seriously than some guy who made up a stat and posted it on a website.
Greg Olsons track record shows he's a bad OC. Your appeal to authority is based on the NFL not hiring any bad coaches ever which seems extremely suspect at best. A guy being hired in the NFL doesn't make him a good coach. In the same way a guy being made HC doesn't make him a good HC.
If you read the comments above correctly you would have seen I wasn't just basing it on the guys stat, more so George Warhops track record through the years.
George Warhops offensive lines in QB hits allowed :
Bucs
2018: 20th (109)
2017: 23rd (100)
2016: 28th (109)
2015: 29th (109)
2014: 32nd (124)
Browns
2013 :32nd (121)
2012: 25th (83)
2011: 25th (83)
2010: 6th (63)
2009: 7th (61)
Yards per rush attempt:
Bucs
2018: 30th (3.9)
2017: 27th (3.7)
2016: 30th (3.6)
2015: 2nd (4.8)
2014: 25th (3.9)
Browns
2013: 23rd (4)
2012: 21st (4)
2011: 31st (3.7)
2010: 20th (4)
2009: 17th (4.2)
In Sack % allowed:
Bucs
2018: 12th
2017: 15th
2016: 16th
2015: 6th
2014: 27th
Browns
2013: 17th
2012: 13th
2011: 18th
2010: 22nd
2009: 19th
49ers (fired 1/2 through 2008)
2007: 31st
2006: 21st
2005: 31st
