(02-09-2019, 08:13 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: (02-09-2019, 03:53 AM)jj82284 Wrote: Right now I think the death toll from abortion is roughly between 50 and 60 million people. That's orders of magnitude more than the holocaust, this is one of the greatest tragedies in human history. The idea that you can casually say "oh well, let's just kill tens of millions of people because most foster kids don't have cable." is symptomatic of a larger devaluation of the basic sanctity of life that has infected this country that is going to have ramifications that most people still don't understand.
As for the idea that "If you don't want a child you shouldn't have a say." That's like saying if I didn't want to orally service the rapist then who am I to judge his sexual choices.
"You're not woman, you don't get a say!" What about the 30 some odd women who were sucked out of the womb. What would they say? Also, if a woman kills a toddler she's basically (and rightfully so) seen as the lowest rung of society. The development level of the child is a mitigating factor. So if a rape a pre-pubescent child it should be okay?
"What about right to privacy?" The law currently holds that if a person demonstrates themselves to be a credible threat to themselves or others that physicians are mandated to alert the authorities and have the power to commit someone against their will for psychiatric evaluation. The idea that a woman who expresses the desire to kill her own child in the womb creates some new death sacrament that is to be celebrated with extra-constitutional grace is more than just flawed, its evil.
"Roe v. Wade" The lead plantiff in the case HAD THE CHILD! Did she go insane from nine months of carrying a child to term? Did it ruin her life? No! In fact the facts of the case demonstrate that pregnancy is NOT an undue burden especially when weighed against the finality of death.
Margaret Sanger: America's Hitler. There's not other way to put it really. When you look at the history of eugenics and the incestuous relationship between americans of the practice and Nazi's at the time it's not a similarity, it's a direct causal relationship. She believed in putting poor people in concentration camps. Pro Choice? She didn't believe in the concept. She wrote an entire book about the fact that the government should pass laws about who would be allowed to pro-create and who wouldn't. She believed the best gift that could be given to Minorities and other "weeds of humanity" was birth control. When you examine her background you see a woman that resented her own large family (10 brothers and sisters) for the lack of attention she received and the eventual trauma of loosing her mother. It is very likely that as a result she was a functioning psychopath or at a minimum demonstrated an inordinate level of anti-social behavior in her relationships and ideas about life and the world. The idea that this woman and her racist death cult ideology have basically dominated our culture for the last 45 years is a stain on our countries history approaching that of slavery.
You can say whatever you want, but your argument is just a bunch of nonsense to me. I don't believe a life is truly a life, until you take a breath outside of the womb.
You said it yourself. Between 50-60 million people would have been born without abortions. That's 50-60 million unwanted kids. Where are they gonna go? Are you willing to adopt some of them? I guarantee most of them would have gone into the foster system, which is already overcrowded. You say abortion is taking a life, I say it's preventing a life from happening. A hard life in which that child would've been born to careless, irresponsible parents who didn't want it in the first place and would've probably either mistreated it or given it away to be raised by the state. I'll say it again. People are wreckless and irresponsible. There will always be unwanted pregnancies. Without abortions, what are you gonna do with all of these unwanted children? You seem vehemently opposed to abortion and want it banned. What do you propose we do with all of the unwanted kids who would now be brought to term? You can't just oppose something without providing some type of viable solution.
1.) I understand biology can be a bit tricky. If you would like a refresher course on the difference between the process of meosis where we form the gamete cells and mitotic cell division/fission post fertilization then I'm game, but science demonstrates that life begins at conception.
2.) Again, what's you government sponsored program for men with a fetish or predisposition to become sexually excited by sadistic non-consensual acts against women? If you aren't going to pay for a government issued concubine to play his sadistic games then you can't possibly consider rape a crime right? What about pedophilia? If you aren't going to pretend to be a prepubescent child and service their sexual needs then obviously you have to allow child molestation right? The very nature of the social contract obligates us all to base normative behavior without the incentive of a cookie or government program to ease the pain or conducting ourselves as law abiding citizens.
3.) Yes, Foster homes can suck. Yes, being born to mean parents sucks. Any idea that its better to have a scalpel to the back of the head and have your brains sucked out is better than being stuck in a crappy foster home with no cable is "just a bunch of nonsense"
4.) As a nation we mitigate irresponsibility and recklessness through a common commitment to personal responsibility and the sanctity of the individual. We don't subsidize it through mass genocide just because you not every foster home or adoptive parent has unlimited wi-fi!
