(03-08-2019, 09:42 AM)B2hibry Wrote:

(03-08-2019, 09:07 AM)Bullseye Wrote: So ordering the strike that killid Bin Laden did nothing to advance America?

Is this seriously what you're arguing?

Pretty sure you are arguing that point. But I'll play. What has changed since his death? You can ponder that but the answer is nothing.

If you think Obama is the hero in that scenario, you couldn't be more wrong. So, should we blame Obama for the 15 other times he could have been taken out but wasn't? Was it his fault that foreign policy failures allowed Pakistan to shelter Bin Laden for years? Can we blame Obama for his tight authoritarian grip on combat rules of engagement that endangered boots on the ground? Teams like the one that got Bin Laden had worked auntonomously for decades but not under Obama. Good thing they are now back to that mission set.

Usually, when a man grasps at something, he gets a firm idea of what it is.  A rock, or an apple, or the keys to car.  You can feel what you have by touch.  But you seem to keep grasping at straw in this thread and acting as if you're holding a big stick.

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(03-08-2019, 09:59 AM)MalabarJag Wrote:

(03-08-2019, 09:07 AM)Bullseye Wrote: So ordering the strike that killid Bin Laden did nothing to advance America?

Is this seriously what you're arguing?

Since Bin Laden was under a death sentence by the US since long before Obama became president, the one good thing you can point to that he did was something that was just a matter of timing and could have happened under any president.

And there was a lot to dislike about his policies:

He co-opted the US medical system, costing people who already had insurance (you know, the responsible ones) thousands of dollars a year in either increased contributions, vastly increased deductibles, or both in our case.

He wasted billions on expensive unreliable energy, ignoring the one reliable CO2-free energy source if that was actually a worthy goal.

He returned $1.5B to a terrorist regime in Iran. He also gave them $500M (?) in exchange for hostages, basically paying a kidnapper.

He traded five terrorists from Gitmo for one deserter.

While there was no actual crime in the Benghazi failure, leaving US diplomats to die when help any time within 9 hours would have rescued them was a total dirtbag action.

Obama supported racial discord. His chosen AG stated that whites could not be considered hate crime victims, and the Justice Department acted accordingly. Obama personally meddled in local matters if a black man was shot, usually the ones where it was justified.

Those are just a few of his policy decisions (not his skin color or his statements) that I found abhorrent.

But keep believing he was only disliked because of his skin color if it makes you feel superior to the deplorables.

Lies. 
It was very easy, prior to 2014, to have no medical insurance even if you behaved responsibly.

Neither party is friendly to nuclear power. Obama did not make it a priority, that is true, but if he did he would have run up to perhaps more opposition because it is so expensive compared even to wind and solar.

The $1.5 billion was something we seized from them in the first place. Giving it back was a necessary part of any peace process. We still have a lot of things held over Iran because we are not fully at peace with them, although we are thankfully closer than we were.

The ambassador died within the first hour.

Your quarrel seems to be more with Title IX the civil Rights act of 1964, than Obama.

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