(04-09-2019, 08:13 PM)copycat Wrote:

(04-09-2019, 01:15 PM)rollerjag Wrote: The problem is he only wants to do anything about illegal immigration because it keeps his base loyal, not because he gives a rat's [BLEEP] about the issue.

I'm more curious as to why liberals are not more concerned about the issue.

On the one hand you demand $15/hr minimum wage and on the other advocate for illegal immigrants that will do the same job for half the pay under the table.

(04-09-2019, 08:17 PM)mikesez Wrote:

(04-09-2019, 08:13 PM)copycat Wrote: I'm more curious as to why liberals are not more concerned about the issue.

On the one hand you demand $15/hr minimum wage and on the other advocate for illegal immigrants that will do the same job for half the pay under the table.

the liberals and some conservatives want the illegal immigrants to be normalized so that employers will have to pay them minimum wage above board.
it's only the very nihilistic, wealthy conservatives that want to continue being able to pay them at half price under the table.

(04-10-2019, 07:30 PM)mikesez Wrote:

(04-10-2019, 06:59 PM)copycat Wrote: All of it.  Liberals want illegals naturalized because they hope they will vote and it they do they will most likely vote democrat.  Those that employ illegals regardless of political party do not want them naturalized at all as they could not afford them and many would go under.  Without securing the border (as has been done far too many times) the next day there will be new illegals crossing the border willing to do the same jobs for half the pay.  Some day I hope it dawns on you and many other hard working democrat that this battle is not between red and blue but of the masses vs the establishment.

Here is the false dichotomy you posted: 

"On the one hand you demand $15/hr minimum wage and on the other advocate for illegal immigrants that will do the same job for half the pay under the table."

It sounds like you actually do understand it. 
I'm not a Democrat.
The Democrats deliberately close their eyes to the fact that employers may pay under the table at less than minimum wage if the minimum wage is too high.
They also don't acknowledge that amnesty today might invite a new wave of people presuming on future amnesty and that border security, an actual, complete, monitored fence, is critical if amnesty is to be considered.
The Republican's job is to make them acknowledge and deal with what they don't want to admit.  And vice versa.  But neither side sees any incentive to have a real constructive dialog, not since 2010.

Above you will see the genesis of my participation into this discussion.  You will note that rollerjag made a statement that I found profound enough to respond to.  You then responded on his behalf with what I, based upon personal experience found absurd. You then asked me to qualify my statement to which I did.  And then you posted this gem:   

Here is the false dichotomy you posted: 


"On the one hand you demand $15/hr minimum wage and on the other advocate for illegal immigrants that will do the same job for half the pay under the table."

It sounds like you actually do understand it. 
I'm not a Democrat.
The Democrats deliberately close their eyes to the fact that employers may pay under the table at less than minimum wage if the minimum wage is too high.
They also don't acknowledge that amnesty today might invite a new wave of people presuming on future amnesty and that border security, an actual, complete, monitored fence, is critical if amnesty is to be considered.
The Republican's job is to make them acknowledge and deal with what they don't want to admit.  And vice versa.  But neither side sees any incentive to have a real constructive dialog, not since 2010.            


You win.  I'm so confused I don't know whether to defecate or wind my watch.

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