(04-10-2019, 03:05 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: (04-10-2019, 01:15 PM)TJBender Wrote: Hillary Clinton is a murderer and probably conspired with a foreign government on many occasions for many purposes.
Donald Trump is the same in many ways, although he's never had anyone killed. He just wants to set this country back to the '50s. The 1850s.
They're both terrible. I wish George W. Bush could run for a third term, because I'd vote for him in a heartbeat. Not the best President and certainly manipulated and kept in the dark by his closest advisers, but a guy that you always felt was being honest and open as much as he could. When he went out and actually led the country following 9/11, he inspired more confidence than I've had in any other President since I was old enough to pay attention. When he fell back behind the influence of Cheney, Rumsfeld and Rove, he suffered for it. I wish we'd gotten to see Bush lead this country by himself, because I think he'd have been one of the best Presidents this country has ever seen.
I think President Bush did a pretty good job while in office. He's not as stupid as the MSM/Hollywood portrayed him to be (a lot of that due to his Texan accent). He also had to lead and make tough decisions during a very difficult time in this country. I didn't agree with every bit of his policies, but overall I think he did a fine job.
As it relates to this thread, time will tell but I think in the future some may look back at President Trump and think that he did some great things as well. I don't like a lot of the things that he says or how he presents himself at times, but I can't disagree with any of his policies so far.
W followed after his father in a lot of good ways. One key way where he differed is that his father was capable of getting downright nasty, but W never really did. He was a gentlemen, and I greatly respect that in my leaders.
A lot of Trump's goals and policy objectives actually aren't too far from mine. Where we differ most is in how extreme he is in terms of scope and implementation vs. the more gradual, thought-out approach I'm a fan of. I believe in secure borders, in a total rethink of the tax system, in a Supreme Court that bases its opinions on founders' intent or historical precedent rather than the personal views of the judge in question and a total rethink of healthcare from the ground up. I strongly disagree with his efforts to direct large amounts of power to the executive branch in order to implement his policies so extreme that even his own party representatives in Congress have spoken openly about how they disagree with them. And there's all that other stuff I've covered a million times about him dividing this country along a line that hasn't been so bright since the 1960s (although I don't think Obama gets enough blame for deepening the racial trenches in this country).
Basically, if Trump were to respect the branch of government that doesn't listen to him, stop trying to grab power and quit trying to write new rules for the executive branch, I'd greatly appreciate it and think more of him for it. I still think he's bad for the country as a whole, even if he's benefiting a portion of it, and I think the vicious political and social atmosphere of the Obama and Trump administrations will haunt their legacies.
