(07-15-2019, 10:46 AM)The Real Marty Wrote:

(07-14-2019, 10:14 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: Me too. He is going to give me $1,000 a month for simply having a pulse and also provide free healthcare for illegal aliens.

I have heard of that guaranteed income idea before, and it becomes interesting if it means we can abolish lots of social programs and replace them with this direct handout.  It would take a lot less bureaucracy because there wouldn't have to be all sorts of means testing and other requirements.  For anyone who files a tax return that shows income above a certain level, just tax it all back.  It could really simplify things.  IF they do it right.  A big IF.

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(07-14-2019, 03:52 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: It's my observation that the old rules no longer apply. This man fights and he's really the only one in the last 12 years doing so for the side I want to prevail.

There's no excuse for the way he acts.  It's embarrassing.  

Like I've said before, I agree with a lot of his policies, but the way he acts is so ridiculously childish, it's hard to justify voting for him.  Maybe if the Democrats go hard left, as they show all signs of doing, I'll think about voting for him, but probably I will look for a 3rd party that I think might have a future.

I agree with you on both.
I am very concerned that a minority of people who get the handout will waste it on wine, women, and song, and come back either to the street corner or to the political process asking for more.
And I have visions where a new cottage industry of hucksters will pop up, promising cash and prizes and eternal glory if you just hand your Andrew Yang welfare check over to them.
Other than these two fears (which are big fears) it's a great idea.  Maybe the number of people who will fall into either trap is really small, and the amount of money we save on social programs and the heartache we spare the average person of are big.  Maybe it'd be worth doing.  I don't know.

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(07-15-2019, 11:09 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote:

(07-15-2019, 10:46 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: I have heard of that guaranteed income idea before, and it becomes interesting if it means we can abolish lots of social programs and replace them with this direct handout.  It would take a lot less bureaucracy because there wouldn't have to be all sorts of means testing and other requirements.  For anyone who files a tax return that shows income above a certain level, just tax it all back.  It could really simplify things.  IF they do it right.  A big IF.

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There's no excuse for the way he acts.  It's embarrassing.  

Like I've said before, I agree with a lot of his policies, but the way he acts is so ridiculously childish, it's hard to justify voting for him.  Maybe if the Democrats go hard left, as they show all signs of doing, I'll think about voting for him, but probably I will look for a 3rd party that I think might have a future.

I'm not excusing it, I'm encouraging it. Get in there and fight on their terms and win, that's what Trump has done for four years now. The more he does it the further left they go, the further left they go the more reasonable his behavior appears and the more likely that we won't have to deal with them much longer. He's turned their playbook against them and they only have the one hammer in the toolbox. Man I love politics!

And UBI couldn't work in Finland, there's no chance in hell it could work here.

"their terms?!"
No, dude.
No.  
Trump is the only one down there in that deep mud.
None of our elected officials were ever down in that deep end.

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