(01-31-2020, 01:00 PM)JackCity Wrote:

(01-31-2020, 12:44 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: Jack was a damn good SAM and was snubbed for a Pro Bowl spot in 17.  He was a play maker and had a 3 or 4 game stretch where he created a turnover and much better againstthe tun when playing outside.    We are drafting for 2020 and ever other year after.  You are probably in tank mode already but with a good draft and some smart FA moves and cuts we can be back in the playoffs especially with a full training camp for Mishew as the startepkapkahed

He played mike around 65+% of the time. He was v good because of how good his coverage was on passing downs not because he was killing it as a sam the other 30% of the time. He was a mike who occasionally played sam in 2017. 
The reason you don't draft for 2020 is because rookies should never be counted on to be impact players year 1 and this roster is two off seasons away from being competitive enough for the playoffs + the coaching is terrible outside of Gruden. The optimum build is to try form the most talented team we can in the following years vs seeing who can just plug holes this year

When Jack is at his worst is on early downs against the run when he is playing MLB in 4-3.  Which he wouldnt be if he moves back to SAM, and stay in as the MIKE on passing downs.  He was good in both in 17.  Jack didnt occasionally play sam in 17 he played every snap at SAM.  Im pretty sure Jack was the only defender to play every snap that year   I watched every game so I know what he played but will you send me the link for the % where Jack played that year? Poz played MLB in 4-3 base as i stated in a few posts up.  When you just plug holes for the year is when you feel like you are going to be title contenders and I dont see that next year but with another good draft and improvement form Minshew we could def win the division.  You want to draft players you feel that can help you this year and the future.  Dave said it himself, thats one thing he has learned is to draft a player that you feel can help you now and in the future.  With drafting Simmons I feel like he could step in day 1 and help and be a building block of the future.

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(01-31-2020, 01:11 PM)Kane Wrote:

(01-31-2020, 01:00 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: I said would you take a Telvin at his best in the top 10.  Telvin wasnt constantly out of position in 17 and was one of the best LBs in the game, the reason he made All Pro.  I think Simmons can be every bit that and the potential to be even better.  Hes better in coverage and can blitz if need be.  He will also probably run a similar 40 that Telvin did

I still wouldn't take ANY WLB at his best in top ten. Especially Telvin. His 2017 year was great but was often making his plays trailing. He also was playing with a ton of good pieces around him (including Jack and Poz who were playing well that year, a very good DL, and two very very good corners)
That's just me though, maybe others feel differently. Outside of a 3 down MLB  that can QB the defense I'm not a fan of drafting LBers high in the first round (this of course is different for a 34 rush backer obviously)

Like I said, I'm not doubting Simmons ability... And personally if we did end up with him, I'd be more tempted to play him at S than LB just because of our needs/scheme fit. I think we're best off getting a MLB (round 2-4 or FA) and moving Jack to WLB

Im curious as to what his weight will be at the combine. I think that will be a big thing for him and as to which position teams will want him to play.  He was 230 in college, if he comes in about 7-8 pounds heavier I would draft him and play him at MLB and move Jack to WILL. Hell, Urlacher played safety in college and moved to MLB and I feel Simmons has the talent to do so and he even played pretty much every LB spot at Clemson and some safety

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