(05-22-2020, 09:51 AM)JackCity Wrote:

(05-20-2020, 03:39 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: Your first paragraph is speculative unless you have numbers to back up Campbell being a particular focus of blocking when he was moved inside. I'd wager that happened quite rarely. 
I'd counter your "that is all gone now"  assertion with the more accurate "that is all different now." 

It's not at all farfetched to think that Allen will draw similar interest from blocking schemes from the outside. 
The only thing we're really missing from Calais departure is that you have to alter the package that featured Calais Campbell moving inside with a Smoot-type -  or whomever wins that role. 
His role on the outside isn't going to be some big drop-off. 
Now, when you consider that they are focusing on putting three run stuffers up front on a regular basis, that difference is even more diminished. Then go ahead and factor in that Campbell is yet a year older. 

I'd like to see what they've really got cooked up scheme-wise and see who ends up getting snaps inside on pass rushing downs before painting it with the doom/gloom brush. I wouldn't attempt to rank it against other groups in the league as I don't know which players will dominate snaps inside vs the pass.
Clearly we've got to stop the run first if we're going to even have obvious pass rushing downs to defend -  and that was cleary their focus this offseason at NT/DT.

It's not speculation to say teams block differently and run plays differently when a player of Calais caliber is inside vs without. It's a huge boon for a defense to have that gap versatile monster inside or outside 

Thats pretty much the point though. It's easier for teams to devote attention to one edge (such as Allen) without needing to devote more attention inside, having a great interior pressure players inside helps outside players a lot, again, that is not there now.

And I think you are focusing too much on a base defense of 3 run stuffers when the downs that are actually more relevant to the loss of Calais as a pass rusher inside will have two interior players who will need to be disruptive. Also, you still need a lot of disruption inside for a lot of 3-4s to work. 

Stopping the run is good, but won't matter much if the pass rush unit is way worse (which it will if Yannick doesn't play) and that's even aside from Todd Wash trying to design coverage without a very good pass rush for the first time ever

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(05-20-2020, 04:06 PM)rufftime Wrote: Do you project Gunter as purely a big end?  Between him Taven Jones and Smoot, I felt that there would be a decent rotation at 3 tech.  All three players do still have room for growth as well.  It wouldn’t surprise me at all if one of them takes advantage of the opportunity.

Nah Gunter can play 3 tech and big end in either system. Just not much of a pass rush guy. It's a very limited group to try get consistent pass rush and disruption from

Taven will continue growing into an inside disruptor, but I agree about everyone else. So, realistically, Allen, Chaisson, and Bryan need to beast out as the main pass rushers. Everyone else just needs to hold the point and nab some coverage sacks. 

If Yan returns and doesn't fake injury, then it's a top 10 line. Otherwise it's neither strength nor liability.

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