(02-13-2021, 06:28 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote:

(02-13-2021, 03:56 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: Not at all. I read the accusations and I saw no malice. I saw an old white guy trying to connect with his players "ripping" on them. What he didn't realize is you can't do that in today's world. The new generation (of all races) has been coddled and taught to be victims. They are thin skinned and super sensitive. Everything is serious and you can't joke with them at all. I'll be 50 in march and that's what me and my buddies do. We're constantly "ragging" on one another and there is absolutely no ill intent behind it. They're a great bunch of guys and we're always laughing and having fun. That's what was acceptable back then. Nowadays, you can't do that type of thing. The atmosphere is constantly changing and if you can't keep up and you make one little mistake, your life is ruined and you're basically canceled. You can beat women and children, torture animals and a plethora of other violent offenses and you'll get second chances, but say something out of turn and everyone wants you wiped off the face of the earth. 

This is partly why there is such a divide between the races and a divide in generations. Everyone is so mindful of everything that comes out of their mouths, that many people choose to distance themselves from people of other races or other generations in fear that they might accidentally say something offensive and be attacked by society. It's sad. People don't look at if there was any intent behind what people say, they only see what they are conditioned to see and right now, they are taught that everything is offensive. 

Should Doyle have been more aware of his actions? Certainly. When you work around college age kids of varying races, you have to watch everything you say, but you also have to realize he comes from a different era. He and I are close to the same age. When we were playing football, you were screamed at, cussed at and insulted. That's the way things were back then and it toughened us up and made us unbothered by little things that don't matter. He was probably trying to pass on how he was coached and that way is no longer accepted. His locker room behavior sounded very similar to how ours was in high school, only no one ever got offended. 

Was it bad optics in today's world to hire Doyle? Absolutely. This is gonna definitely cost us some free agents, because no matter that he resigned, there is still the stigma out there that we are the team with the head coach that hired a "racist". That is a bad look that Meyer now has to try and overcome and quite frankly, I don't know if he can.

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Yes, he did, but that doesn't matter, because in too many people's eyes, he committed an unforgivable sin.

That said, you could also see how him telling a player he'd send them back to the ghetto when they are from an upper middle class family with 2 parents might be rooted in prejudice. I agree with most of what you wrote, but there is a line. Should he lose his career forever? Not in my opinion. Was this a bad hire? Meyer probably should have seen this coming.

I got told by a coach if I didn't shape up, I was going to have to go back to the trailer park and work 12 hour days in a factory after I graduated. I have never lived in a trailer park. I grew up in a middle class family in a rural area, but we had a nice house and both my parents had decent jobs. I never took what the coach said as offensive, it was just a way to motivate kids to be better. It was a different time back then. People had thicker skin and weren't so ultra sensitive. We had to work for everything we got. Nowadays, kids of all races, just want things handed to them without facing any adversity.

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(02-13-2021, 07:22 PM)Iason Wrote:

(02-13-2021, 03:56 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: Not at all. I read the accusations and I saw no malice. I saw an old white guy trying to connect with his players "ripping" on them. What he didn't realize is you can't do that in today's world. The new generation (of all races) has been coddled and taught to be victims. They are thin skinned and super sensitive. Everything is serious and you can't joke with them at all. I'll be 50 in march and that's what me and my buddies do. We're constantly "ragging" on one another and there is absolutely no ill intent behind it. They're a great bunch of guys and we're always laughing and having fun. That's what was acceptable back then. Nowadays, you can't do that type of thing. The atmosphere is constantly changing and if you can't keep up and you make one little mistake, your life is ruined and you're basically canceled. You can beat women and children, torture animals and a plethora of other violent offenses and you'll get second chances, but say something out of turn and everyone wants you wiped off the face of the earth. 

This is partly why there is such a divide between the races and a divide in generations. Everyone is so mindful of everything that comes out of their mouths, that many people choose to distance themselves from people of other races or other generations in fear that they might accidentally say something offensive and be attacked by society. It's sad. People don't look at if there was any intent behind what people say, they only see what they are conditioned to see and right now, they are taught that everything is offensive. 

Should Doyle have been more aware of his actions? Certainly. When you work around college age kids of varying races, you have to watch everything you say, but you also have to realize he comes from a different era. He and I are close to the same age. When we were playing football, you were screamed at, cussed at and insulted. That's the way things were back then and it toughened us up and made us unbothered by little things that don't matter. He was probably trying to pass on how he was coached and that way is no longer accepted. His locker room behavior sounded very similar to how ours was in high school, only no one ever got offended. 

Was it bad optics in today's world to hire Doyle? Absolutely. This is gonna definitely cost us some free agents, because no matter that he resigned, there is still the stigma out there that we are the team with the head coach that hired a "racist". That is a bad look that Meyer now has to try and overcome and quite frankly, I don't know if he can.

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Yes, he did, but that doesn't matter, because in too many people's eyes, he committed an unforgivable sin.

-Funnily enough, in our friend group we rag on each other too. We just find a way to do it without being racist. It's possible. 
-No, that is not partly why there is a divide in races and generations. But you knew that already, you were just trying to build a strawman. 
-I look forward to following his career running the strength and conditioning programs for 50 and over flag football teams.

You sound like one of those overly sensitive people that I was talking about.

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