(04-13-2022, 01:55 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote:

(04-13-2022, 12:03 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: Clay Harbor wants a word with you:

https://twitter.com/clayharbs82/status/1...K28O6RItmQ

I think M Jones is at the end of his rope too, but he may have a little production left IMO. Not as doom-and-gloom as you are on it. 

Also - as much as you want to downplay it - we didn't have a single receiver last year who got open as much as Kirk did in Ariz. during the same span. He's an upgrade even if you want to "average-him-to-death" in your comments. 

Arnold+Engram at TE are also a factor in all of this as Z.Jones and Kirk possess enough speed to clear out the underneath for these two to work against mismatches. 

I want to see an X guy added, but I'm not seeing the sky falling at WR.  It's just sort-of a middle of the pack collection right now.
Biggest factor in all of this will be the play design and play calling. Expect RPO, play-action, and run game to cleverly set up pass opportunities we didn't see created last year.  

All I know is that DeAndre Hopkins only played 10 games last season and the only other WR the Cardinals had to really compete with Kirk for catches was an old, broke down, shell of what he used to be in A.J. Green. Kirk had a perfect opportunity to step up and prove that he could be "the guy" in that offense and he couldn't do it. He wasn't terrible, but he wasn't good either. He just is what he is, an average slot receiver. He's not a difference maker. If he was, he would've shown that last season when he was supposed to be the main receiver for half the season and instead he only managed a hundred yards and change more than A.J. Green, who played 1 less game and is so bad, he's still a free agent, because everyone knows his tank is empty. Kirk may very well be an upgrade, but it's not enough of an upgrade to even move the needle. 

I agree that Engram should play a large role in the offense. I'm not a huge fan of Arnold though. He had a lot of drops and fumbles in the short time he played with us. Take that into account along with the fact that Engram has only had one season where he played a full schedule (2020) and he's only on a 1 year deal. We need help at TE. 

As far as Zay Jones, I don't care how fast he is. His speed has never translated into consistency. His career high is is a measly 652 yards receiving and that was back in 2018. That tells me he can't get open. As far as why he can't get open, I don't know. I've never paid that much attention to him, because he's been such a non-factor as an NFL receiver. He's played with 2 pretty good QB's in Allen and Carr, so he can't use having bad QB's as am excuse. 

I have no clue how anyone could call what we have now, "middle of the road" WR's. This is the 2nd worst group in the NFL after Atlanta. We don't even have RB's to rely on since Robinson will most likely miss time coming off ACL surgery and Etienne may never be the same after Lisfranc surgery. I'm just being a realist.

You like to draw false conclusions by making assumptions after "analyzing" an insufficient amount of statistical data. 
There are many variables left conveniently out of your explanations of why you have no faith in either receiver. 

The tape on Kirk and Jones refutes your doom-&-gloom bluster.

The 4 photos below taken at the moment Jones is receiving the ball illustrate how open he is on 80% of the targets on his 2021 tape. You should watch the cut-up sometime and educate yourself on the player. 

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