A lot of this disagreement is based on a lot of people assuming that Cousins is only slightly above average, as I have seen stated many times on the last few pages. If people could be convinced that there was a clear and significant upgrade the money would become a non issue.

Here are Cousins 3 starting years of + stats (Y/A+ NY/A+ AY/A+ ANY/A+ Cmp%+ TD%+ Int%+ Sack%+ Rate+ tallied so that 100 is league average).

111 114 112 114 128 111 107 112 118
122 126 115 119 117 97 107 120 112
111 104 108 104 106 109 99 92 108

That's a whole lot of above average to way above average, and most importantly remarkable consistent above average. The exact type of consistent that would do wonders for an offense with a dominant defense. Worth the money.

Why hasn't he won more games and carried his team then? 26-30-1 and a 0-1 record is not good my man.

How many games have we won the last 4 years?

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Ask yourself this Question...if All are healthy, rank the AFC South QBs.

1. Luck
2. Watson (just because he hasn't played a full season)
3. MM
4. Bortles.

Do you REALLY want to put all your eggs in the Bortles basket?

Nope thats not how my list looks at all. MM is definately last at this point. Watson needs a whole season before I put him above Bortles. And even tho I know luck is better, he needs to play again too before you put him back on top. Our division is weak, mostly do to injury at QB. Thats one thing Bortles doesn't have issues with.

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Yes, it's improvement, but it's Blaine Gabbert 2012 level improvement. - Pirkster

http://youtu.be/ouGM3NWpjxk The Home Hypnotist!

http://youtu.be/XQRFkn0Ly3A Media on the Brain Link!
 

Peyton must store oxygen in that forehead of his. No way I'd still be alive after all that choking.

 

I understand your concern of this team regression to the mean based on staying status quo but let the situation play out because the man can still develop under the proper coaching in his life.

Best case scenario Bortles takes another step and then becomes very expensive himself after one year and we're in the exact same situation we would be in with Cousins. Best is not actually any better. Any other scenario is worse. There isn't a scenario that's better than just signing Cousins now. (Ok fine there is one, we draft a QB who 28 teams pass on at least once who in year two immediately becomes a franchise QB capable of cheaply leading a team to a super bowl...obviously very very unlikely).

Yeah. Drafting a QB as good as - or better than Bortles is probably impossible. It would be like landing a pro bowl DE in the third or a second team all-pro LB in the fifth. 
Probably shouldn't even try, huh? 

Just draft a damn QB. 

If he's no good, draft another one next year.

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People still think Kirk Cousins is the answer. SMDH.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Okay if you want to play that game then don't count Blake Bortles first three seasons of his career when he had to work would 9 rookies his rookie year, and had a bozo of a coach and offensive coordinators and Lord how did we forget about our horrible defenses we had the first 2 years of his career but it's okay for you to blame didn't know our shortcomings to him but 4 Kirk Cousins let's disregard that to make our stance on him more desirable to everyone.

It's honestly pointless man. We're better off trying to pound sand. Their tones change by the day, week by week. I'm done wasting my time on this Bortles merry-go-round.

If we throw a god awful amount of money at Cousins, that's fine. But it's at min 12+ wins and Super Bowl, or bust for every single season that he's here. Plain and simple. No excuses, nothing.

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Ignoring 8 starts spread out over the end of 2 seasons is not even close to the same as ignoring 3 full seasons. If you're wanting to have a discussion about this let's try to keep it somewhat honest please.

Also, I said Bortles supporting cast was bad I wasn't throwing it out. Statistically they were just as bad as Cousins. They were both forced to carry an inordinate amount. Even playing fields. The difference is Cousins dragged his awful supporting cast to a slightly above .500 record. Bortles carried his awful supporting cast to 3 top 5 picks.

Thisl roster was expansion level bad when Bortles took over are you joking? Jesus Christ. Even playing fields... LOL.

I'd be down for that Cousins can do that sign me up.

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No Fun

People still think Kirk Cousins is the answer. SMDH.

He's not Bortles.  That's all they need.

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Bottom line:

No one cares what this anyone-but-Bortles crowd thinks. Not the Front Office, not the Coach, not Shad Khan and definitely not the players whose respect he's earned through adversity and toughness.

So, get over it - Bortles, barring an epic collapse, is the Jaguars QB.

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People still think Kirk Cousins is the answer. SMDH.

He's not Bortles.  That's all they need.

Anyone could have led this team to 8 wins this season. The defense held their opponent to 10 or fewer points 8 times this season. I mean the defense beat the Steelers by themselves in week 5.

Bortles was asked to do the bare minimum this season. He did exactly what was asked of him and did well. When Kirk was on the Skins, he was asked to do everything on offense without having the luxury of a #1 defense. 

The issue is if the Jags sign Kirk and don't make it back to the AFCCG. Then everyone will be like "See! Told you it was a bad move!"

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Best case scenario Bortles takes another step and then becomes very expensive himself after one year and we're in the exact same situation we would be in with Cousins. Best is not actually any better. Any other scenario is worse. There isn't a scenario that's better than just signing Cousins now. (Ok fine there is one, we draft a QB who 28 teams pass on at least once who in year two immediately becomes a franchise QB capable of cheaply leading a team to a super bowl...obviously very very unlikely).

Yeah. Drafting a QB as good as - or better than Bortles is probably impossible. It would be like landing a pro bowl DE in the third or a second team all-pro LB in the fifth. 
Probably shouldn't even try, huh? 

Just draft a damn QB. 

If he's no good, draft another one next year.

By all means draft a QB and cross your fingers, but don't set any plans for winning during this contending title on a drafted QB. The odds of 1, 2, or 3 happening are orders of magnitude more likely than a QB being drafted and developed to a super bowl caliber QB by time this window is closed. That's all.

And still, no one has pointed out what the upside of gambling that Bortles takes the next step instead of just signing Cousins might be. I am open to suggestions if I didn't think of something. At some point people trying to nitpick the edges around the meat of the point is evidence enough that there doesn't appear to be any counterpoint.

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He's not Bortles.  That's all they need.

Anyone could have led this team to 8 wins this season. The defense held their opponent to 10 or fewer points 8 times this season. I mean the defense beat the Steelers by themselves in week 5.

Bortles was asked to do the bare minimum this season. He did exactly what was asked of him and did well. When Kirk was on the Skins, he was asked to do everything on offense without having the luxury of a #1 defense. 

The issue is if the Jags sign Kirk and don't make it back to the AFCCG. Then everyone will be like "See! Told you it was a bad move!"

And what do they say if they do sign him and they don't make it back?  You can play that game more than one way.

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So i'm trying to figure out this Cousins thing. Lets see yall are saying he is better the Alex Smith and BB5. And he is a franchise QB. Yet Washington felt he was so much better that they gave Alex Smith (who is supposedly an inferior QB to Cousins) a big Contract and let Cousins walk. So my question is why would a team trying to make it to the playoffs and be better get rid of such and great QB(when they could of franchised him again) and sign a not so great QB, and why would you want him if they dont?

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So i'm trying to figure out this Cousins thing. Lets see yall are saying he is better the Alex Smith and BB5. And he is a franchise QB. Yet Washington felt he was so much better that they gave Alex Smith (who is supposedly an inferior QB to Cousins) a big Contract and let Cousins walk. So my question is why would a team trying to make it to the playoffs and be better get rid of such and great QB(when they could of franchised him again) and sign a not so great QB, and why would you want him if they dont?

Teams do dumb stuff. Why did the playoff contending Bills trade Dareus for a measly 6th rounder to a strong potential opponent in the middle of the season? That one sure came back to bite them. Just as this will for Washington.

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So i'm trying to figure out this Cousins thing. Lets see yall are saying he is better the Alex Smith and BB5. And he is a franchise QB. Yet Washington felt he was so much better that they gave Alex Smith (who is supposedly an inferior QB to Cousins) a big Contract and let Cousins walk. So my question is why would a team trying to make it to the playoffs and be better get rid of such and great QB(when they could of franchised him again) and sign a not so great QB, and why would you want him if they dont?

Teams do dumb stuff. Why did the playoff contending Bills trade Dareus for a measly 6th rounder to a strong potential opponent in the middle of the season? That one sure came back to bite them. Just as this will for Washington.

Or Washington saw he was a basket case.

We just don't know.

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Anyone could have led this team to 8 wins this season. The defense held their opponent to 10 or fewer points 8 times this season. I mean the defense beat the Steelers by themselves in week 5.

Bortles was asked to do the bare minimum this season. He did exactly what was asked of him and did well. When Kirk was on the Skins, he was asked to do everything on offense without having the luxury of a #1 defense. 

The issue is if the Jags sign Kirk and don't make it back to the AFCCG. Then everyone will be like "See! Told you it was a bad move!"

And what do they say if they do sign him and they don't make it back?  You can play that game more than one way.

That's what I just said.....

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Or Washington saw he was a basket case.

We just don't know.

He is quirky in a film nerd/football junkie yet hyper competitive and fiery way. That's a bit of a weird combination to be fair. When he does his silly "YOU LIKE THAT" thing it is nerdy awkward but hardly a character negative. The Redskins did franchise him twice too, so I think basket case is clearly taking it too far.

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Teams do dumb stuff. Why did the playoff contending Bills trade Dareus for a measly 6th rounder to a strong potential opponent in the middle of the season? That one sure came back to bite them. Just as this will for Washington.

Or Washington saw he was a basket case.

We just don't know.

It's Washington.

They botch things all the time. My guess is that Cousins told them he would never sign a long term deal with them.

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What makes Cousins such an upgrade that it is worth risking paying him 150 mil for 5 years and then never reaching the championship game again in that time? Imagine the blowback if you cut a QB who nearly took you to the super bowl and his replacement is the highest paid player in the NFL and doesn’t at least deliver a super bowl victory. It has been proven that average QBs win Super Bowls. Eli Manning. Peyton Manning in his final season, Flacco, Dilfer just to name a few that come to mind. Anyway, advanced metrics say that Cousins is no better than Bortles anyway.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/qb

There was a much better case for bringing in Alex Smith before he was traded to Washington. Now that Cousins is all that’s left teams will be overpaying. Nothing screams sure fire can’t miss upgrade that guarantees a super bowl with Cousins. That is why management will not risk cutting a QB that brought us minutes from a super bowl to bring him in.

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What makes Cousins such an upgrade that it is worth risking paying him 150 mil for 5 years and then never reaching the championship game again in that time? Imagine the blowback if you cut a QB who nearly took you to the super bowl and his replacement is the highest paid player in the NFL and doesn’t at least deliver a super bowl victory. It has been proven that average QBs win Super Bowls. Eli Manning. Peyton Manning in his final season, Flacco, Dilfer just to name a few that come to mind. Anyway, advanced metrics say that Cousins is no better than Bortles anyway.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/qb

There was a much better case for bringing in Alex Smith before he was traded to Washington. Now that Cousins is all that’s left teams will be overpaying. Nothing screams sure fire can’t miss upgrade that guarantees a super bowl with Cousins. That is why management will not risk cutting a QB that brought us minutes from a super bowl to bring him in.

My man don let facts get in the way because the antI blake crowd don't want to hear it.

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What makes Cousins such an upgrade that it is worth risking paying him 150 mil for 5 years and then never reaching the championship game again in that time? Imagine the blowback if you cut a QB who nearly took you to the super bowl and his replacement is the highest paid player in the NFL and doesn’t at least deliver a super bowl victory. It has been proven that average QBs win Super Bowls. Eli Manning. Peyton Manning in his final season, Flacco, Dilfer just to name a few that come to mind. Anyway, advanced metrics say that Cousins is no better than Bortles anyway.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/qb

There was a much better case for bringing in Alex Smith before he was traded to Washington. Now that Cousins is all that’s left teams will be overpaying. Nothing screams sure fire can’t miss upgrade that guarantees a super bowl with Cousins. That is why management will not risk cutting a QB that brought us minutes from a super bowl to bring him in.

My man don let facts get in the way because the antI blake crowd don't want to hear it.

No doubt they will find stats that go against those stats then tell you stats dont matter its about wins then tell you wins dont matter its stats around and around they go and at the end of the day BB5 is still our QB.

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So i'm trying to figure out this Cousins thing. Lets see yall are saying he is better the Alex Smith and BB5. And he is a franchise QB. Yet Washington felt he was so much better that they gave Alex Smith (who is supposedly an inferior QB to Cousins) a big Contract and let Cousins walk. So my question is why would a team trying to make it to the playoffs and be better get rid of such and great QB(when they could of franchised him again) and sign a not so great QB, and why would you want him if they dont?

You realize it’s not solely the choice of the team right?

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Man what have y’all witnessed Cousins do to be ready to possibly not sign Jalen or Yannick in a year or two? The guys is above average at best. He is better but not 11 million dollars better. I’m a so happen this board is not making decisions for this team.

On another’s notes Coughlin played against the guy twice a year. He would know him inside and out, flaws and all. If he decides to go after him then I’ll support it but all indications are that he’s not and that should be a signal to you. Coughlin knows qbs. He’s rolling with Blake and that should give you solace. I know Coughlin left egg on a lot a folks faces after this season lol.

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