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If not Blake, who is your choice?


(02-13-2018, 09:42 AM)JUNGLE CAT 2017 Wrote: I've been throwing the name of A. J. McCarron around hoping that Tom will do whatever is necessary to secure his services.

The key date for A. J. is February 15th. That's when the decision concerning his grievance filed against the Cincinnati Bengals is in. 

If he wins, it means the league office has granted him a year of service which he feels the Bengals took away from him. The good news for the Jaguars is he immediately becomes a unrestricted free agent with a favorable outcome. We can hopefully make him a Jaguar.

If he loses, the Bengals will still be in a tight spot and we may be able to trade a second round pick for McCarron. A. J., drafted in 2014, is unhappy the Bengals spoiled his rookie season by listing him as injured for many weeks - something he disputes in his grievance. As a result of being injury listed by the team, A. J. lost a year of accrued service so that entering this season, his fifth season, he is a restricted free agent.

This is why the Bengals attempted to unload McCarron on Cleveland for a second and third round pick last November. However, the league office nixed the trade claiming the paperwork was transfered to them too late. 

Why McCarron? 

1. He's a better quarterback than other options which are being discussed. His experience in championship football. His awareness on the field is very good. He has a very high completion percentage on throws that travel OVER 40 yards. He won two NCAA Division I titles. 

In limited action in the 2015 playoffs he subbed in for an injured Andy Dalton and led the Bengals including a solid, 16-point fourth quarter rally capping it with a pretty amazing 25-yard TD pass to A. J. Green, for what would have been a game-winning drive against the Pittsburgh Steelers.  Had it not been for a pair of absolutely bone-headed defensive penalties by the Bengals' defense, McCarron would have given Marvin Lewis an actual playoff win. Before that I believe he finished off the regular season steering Cincinnati to a 2-1 record as the starter.

2. He has been groomed by the Bengals. He has a solid grasp on how to play quarterback in the NFL. He will step in to a Jaguars' uniform and be the starting franchise quarterback for the next ten years.

3. In that McCarron has still to prove he is the franchise quarterback we all know he can be, he represents immediate value in contract terms. He signs with the Jaguars. He is given a modest three year deal with a understanding that if he is what both sides believe he can be the deal will be torn up and a better, higher salary - more years contract will be drawn up.

At this point don't be surprised if New England has a lot to say about where A. J. McCarron will land. Tom Brady figures to lure McCarron in and work him into the Patriots' system. 

While this is possible, let's not stand on the sidelines and watch New England reload at quarterback prior to extending their NFL supremacy for the next ten years. Let do what we need to do to land A. J. McCarron right here. Right now.

Wow. Are you A.J.'s agent? If not perhaps you should be.

Of course, most of what you wrote is pure conjecture, with a positive spin - but that's what agents do.

If Bortles is released and McCarron is signed (assuming he becomes a free agent; I'm also assuming he wouldn't be signed to be Bortles' backup. I sure don't think Caldwell would give up a second rounder for a backup) why would McCarron accept a "modest three year deal" - especially if he's going to be the franchise QB for the next ten years.

If Bortles is retained I think Coughlin/Caldwell bet on Bortles' durability and select a QB in the third round or so.
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Can we just hurry up to March 14th so we know whats gonna happen?!
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(02-13-2018, 08:54 PM)Adam2012 Wrote:
(02-12-2018, 12:21 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: Bringing in a rookie is more about 2019 than 2018, but it's still very reasonable to think Blake would be challenged by a first or second round rookie. Even if the rookie doesn't get much work with the ones, he'd push Blake to earn another contract in Jacksonville by improving his play or being replaced.

I agree it's about 2019. If Bortles is retained no rookie will be challenging him, even a first or second round rookie. They won't get the practice time. And do you really see the Jaguars using a first round selection on a QB if they keep Bortles? Anything is possible, but I highly doubt it.

If retained Bortles knows he's playing to earn a long time contract, regardless of whether a QB is drafted in April. No pushing needed.

I'd normally say "no," but it's #29, so, yes I think it's possible they take a QB there with no intention of starting him his rookie year.  Just depends on who falls.
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(02-13-2018, 09:03 PM)Adam2012 Wrote:
(02-13-2018, 09:42 AM)JUNGLE CAT 2017 Wrote: I've been throwing the name of A. J. McCarron around hoping that Tom will do whatever is necessary to secure his services.

The key date for A. J. is February 15th. That's when the decision concerning his grievance filed against the Cincinnati Bengals is in. 

If he wins, it means the league office has granted him a year of service which he feels the Bengals took away from him. The good news for the Jaguars is he immediately becomes a unrestricted free agent with a favorable outcome. We can hopefully make him a Jaguar.

If he loses, the Bengals will still be in a tight spot and we may be able to trade a second round pick for McCarron. A. J., drafted in 2014, is unhappy the Bengals spoiled his rookie season by listing him as injured for many weeks - something he disputes in his grievance. As a result of being injury listed by the team, A. J. lost a year of accrued service so that entering this season, his fifth season, he is a restricted free agent.

This is why the Bengals attempted to unload McCarron on Cleveland for a second and third round pick last November. However, the league office nixed the trade claiming the paperwork was transfered to them too late. 

Why McCarron? 

1. He's a better quarterback than other options which are being discussed. His experience in championship football. His awareness on the field is very good. He has a very high completion percentage on throws that travel OVER 40 yards. He won two NCAA Division I titles. 

In limited action in the 2015 playoffs he subbed in for an injured Andy Dalton and led the Bengals including a solid, 16-point fourth quarter rally capping it with a pretty amazing 25-yard TD pass to A. J. Green, for what would have been a game-winning drive against the Pittsburgh Steelers.  Had it not been for a pair of absolutely bone-headed defensive penalties by the Bengals' defense, McCarron would have given Marvin Lewis an actual playoff win. Before that I believe he finished off the regular season steering Cincinnati to a 2-1 record as the starter.

2. He has been groomed by the Bengals. He has a solid grasp on how to play quarterback in the NFL. He will step in to a Jaguars' uniform and be the starting franchise quarterback for the next ten years.

3. In that McCarron has still to prove he is the franchise quarterback we all know he can be, he represents immediate value in contract terms. He signs with the Jaguars. He is given a modest three year deal with a understanding that if he is what both sides believe he can be the deal will be torn up and a better, higher salary - more years contract will be drawn up.

At this point don't be surprised if New England has a lot to say about where A. J. McCarron will land. Tom Brady figures to lure McCarron in and work him into the Patriots' system. 

While this is possible, let's not stand on the sidelines and watch New England reload at quarterback prior to extending their NFL supremacy for the next ten years. Let do what we need to do to land A. J. McCarron right here. Right now.

Wow. Are you A.J.'s agent? If not perhaps you should be.

Of course, most of what you wrote is pure conjecture, with a positive spin - but that's what agents do.

If Bortles is released and McCarron is signed (assuming he becomes a free agent; I'm also assuming he wouldn't be signed to be Bortles' backup. I sure don't think Caldwell would give up a second rounder for a backup) why would McCarron accept a "modest three year deal" - especially if he's going to be the franchise QB for the next ten years.

If Bortles is retained I think Coughlin/Caldwell bet on Bortles' durability and select a QB in the third round or so.

A 'modest' deal accepted by McCarron means he is willing to accept the challenge of proving his worth. Just make the contract  say something like league-average for starters and make it conditional that if he EARNS the starting quarterback job, the team and his agent will begin to iron out terms that will elevate McCarron to where he needs to be salary-wise for many years to come.

Otherwise, it's likely McCarron will go straight to the Patriots where Tom Brady will personally detail him on the art of elite quarterback play. As Tom's role decreases McCarron's role increases. If all works out according to plan, Belichick and Brady pass the torch in a couple of years and the New England Patriots continue years and years of unparalleled elite franchise dynasty status.

You worry too much. Just get McCarron in. He's a two time NCAA Championship quarterback. A couple of practices and he'll figure it out.
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(02-14-2018, 02:17 AM)JUNGLE CAT 2017 Wrote:
(02-13-2018, 09:03 PM)Adam2012 Wrote: Wow. Are you A.J.'s agent? If not perhaps you should be.

Of course, most of what you wrote is pure conjecture, with a positive spin - but that's what agents do.

If Bortles is released and McCarron is signed (assuming he becomes a free agent; I'm also assuming he wouldn't be signed to be Bortles' backup. I sure don't think Caldwell would give up a second rounder for a backup) why would McCarron accept a "modest three year deal" - especially if he's going to be the franchise QB for the next ten years.

If Bortles is retained I think Coughlin/Caldwell bet on Bortles' durability and select a QB in the third round or so.

A 'modest' deal accepted by McCarron means he is willing to accept the challenge of proving his worth. Just make the contract  say something like league-average for starters and make it conditional that if he EARNS the starting quarterback job, the team and his agent will begin to iron out terms that will elevate McCarron to where he needs to be salary-wise for many years to come.

Otherwise, it's likely McCarron will go straight to the Patriots where Tom Brady will personally detail him on the art of elite quarterback play. As Tom's role decreases McCarron's role increases. If all works out according to plan, Belichick and Brady pass the torch in a couple of years and the New England Patriots continue years and years of unparalleled elite franchise dynasty status.

You worry too much. Just get McCarron in. He's a two time NCAA Championship quarterback. A couple of practices and he'll figure it out.

McCarron is a spot starter type more so than anyone's real plan at QB. (Apart from Hue Jackson).  

I would be intrigued to see him play a full season. Just wouldn't be a good risk/option for us right now. We don't have time for that..
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(02-14-2018, 02:17 AM)JUNGLE CAT 2017 Wrote:
(02-13-2018, 09:03 PM)Adam2012 Wrote: Wow. Are you A.J.'s agent? If not perhaps you should be.

Of course, most of what you wrote is pure conjecture, with a positive spin - but that's what agents do.

If Bortles is released and McCarron is signed (assuming he becomes a free agent; I'm also assuming he wouldn't be signed to be Bortles' backup. I sure don't think Caldwell would give up a second rounder for a backup) why would McCarron accept a "modest three year deal" - especially if he's going to be the franchise QB for the next ten years.

If Bortles is retained I think Coughlin/Caldwell bet on Bortles' durability and select a QB in the third round or so.

A 'modest' deal accepted by McCarron means he is willing to accept the challenge of proving his worth. Just make the contract  say something like league-average for starters and make it conditional that if he EARNS the starting quarterback job, the team and his agent will begin to iron out terms that will elevate McCarron to where he needs to be salary-wise for many years to come.

Otherwise, it's likely McCarron will go straight to the Patriots where Tom Brady will personally detail him on the art of elite quarterback play. As Tom's role decreases McCarron's role increases. If all works out according to plan, Belichick and Brady pass the torch in a couple of years and the New England Patriots continue years and years of unparalleled elite franchise dynasty status.

You worry too much. Just get McCarron in. He's a two time NCAA Championship quarterback. A couple of practices and he'll figure it out.

You sure want a QB that you think is dumb enough to sign that kind of contract,
“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

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How many NCAA championships did Rodgers, Brady, and Brees win, combined? You know, since that's such an important factor and all.
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McCarron is going to the Browns.
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(This post was last modified: 02-14-2018, 12:43 PM by JAGFAN88.)

We have BB5 under contract for 19m this year. There are 2 things ppl seem to think that can happen next year. He can make another leap and lead us to another AFCSC and playoffs or he can fail to make any more improvement and not be any better. This year we do not have any big contracts we will have to address except Arob and that could be a show me contact coming off the knee. Next year we will have to address some big contracts Ramsey, Yanique. If BB5 makes the improvements most think he will then he will aslo be up for a new contract. And at the going rate of QB contacts that could put us in a bind. For the team as a whole a smart option would be to extend BB5 for 2 - 3 years at 20-22 per year(franchise #s). If he makes strides we already have him and dont have to come up with a 5 yr 29m going rate for QB contract next year. If he does not make the strides the team wants they can release him. Paying a QB next year will be hard with the other contracts coming up.

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(02-14-2018, 12:42 PM)JAGFAN88 Wrote: We have BB5 under contract for 19m this year. There are 2 things ppl seem to think that can happen next year. He can make another leap and lead us to another AFCSC and playoffs or he can fail to make any more improvement and not be any better. This year we do not have any big contracts we will have to address except Arob and that could be a show me contact coming off the knee. Next year we will have to address some big contracts Ramsey, Yanique. If BB5 makes the improvements most think he will then he will aslo be up for a new contract. And at the going rate of QB contacts that could put us in a bind. For the team as a whole a smart option would be to extend BB5 for 2 - 3 years at 20-22 per year(franchise #s). If he makes strides we already have him and dont have to come up with a 5 yr 29m going rate for QB contract next year. If he does not make the strides the team wants they can release him.  Paying a QB next year will be hard with the other contracts coming up.
I agree with everything you said. Signing Blake would be a smart option if they truly believe in him. However, he could go the Flacco route and gamble on himself to have a good season and not sign a contract extension. This offseason is a very tricky one.
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Blake can stay one more year because apparently he was hurt and had been putting off surgery so now technically his body will be better and we'll see how accurate he can get his throws and such. After this if the OC and HC are still neutering the offensive scheme because of his limitations then he needs to go. I wanted him gone after this past season until I heard about the injury that he chose to play through. Now that it has been rectified, this will be a fair evaluation.
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(02-14-2018, 01:23 PM)Setsuna00 Wrote: Blake can stay one more year because apparently he was hurt and had been putting off surgery so now technically his body will be better and we'll see how accurate he can get his throws and such. After this if the OC and HC are still neutering the offensive scheme because of his limitations then he needs to go. I wanted him gone after this past season until I heard about the injury that he chose to play through. Now that it has been rectified, this will be a fair evaluation.


Virtually every player is playing through some kind of injury during the season. I'm not buy that as an excuse for Blake. Blake redeemed himself a bit by having less INTs this past season, but overall we could be doing so much more if his passes were simply more accurate. I don't ever see Blake being consistently accurate... just streaky accurate at times. On top of that he requires a good running game to keep him from throwing so much so his arm doesn't go out, and thankfully we were able to give him that much this past season.

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(02-14-2018, 02:31 PM)Jags02 Wrote:
(02-14-2018, 01:23 PM)Setsuna00 Wrote: Blake can stay one more year because apparently he was hurt and had been putting off surgery so now technically his body will be better and we'll see how accurate he can get his throws and such. After this if the OC and HC are still neutering the offensive scheme because of his limitations then he needs to go. I wanted him gone after this past season until I heard about the injury that he chose to play through. Now that it has been rectified, this will be a fair evaluation.


Virtually every player is playing through some kind of injury during the season. I'm not buy that as an excuse for Blake. Blake redeemed himself a bit by having less INTs this past season, but overall we could be doing so much more if his passes were simply more accurate. I don't ever see Blake being consistently accurate... just streaky accurate at times. On top of that he requires a good running game to keep him from throwing so much so his arm doesn't go out, and thankfully we were able to give him that much this past season.

Oh my God, staaaaaahp with this.  This was and always has been a myth.
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(02-14-2018, 02:59 PM)JaguarKick Wrote:
(02-14-2018, 02:31 PM)Jags02 Wrote:

Virtually every player is playing through some kind of injury during the season. I'm not buy that as an excuse for Blake. Blake redeemed himself a bit by having less INTs this past season, but overall we could be doing so much more if his passes were simply more accurate. I don't ever see Blake being consistently accurate... just streaky accurate at times. On top of that he requires a good running game to keep him from throwing so much so his arm doesn't go out, and thankfully we were able to give him that much this past season.

Oh my God, staaaaaahp with this.  This was and always has been a myth.

This.
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(02-14-2018, 02:31 PM)Jags02 Wrote:
(02-14-2018, 01:23 PM)Setsuna00 Wrote: Blake can stay one more year because apparently he was hurt and had been putting off surgery so now technically his body will be better and we'll see how accurate he can get his throws and such. After this if the OC and HC are still neutering the offensive scheme because of his limitations then he needs to go. I wanted him gone after this past season until I heard about the injury that he chose to play through. Now that it has been rectified, this will be a fair evaluation.


Virtually every player is playing through some kind of injury during the season. I'm not buy that as an excuse for Blake. Blake redeemed himself a bit by having less INTs this past season, but overall we could be doing so much more if his passes were simply more accurate. I don't ever see Blake being consistently accurate... just streaky accurate at times. On top of that he requires a good running game to keep him from throwing so much so his arm doesn't go out, and thankfully we were able to give him that much this past season.

His accuracy is fine. If the WR and TE caught half the passes they droped he would be at about 68% which would put him second for the entire season behind brees.

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(02-14-2018, 03:12 PM)JAGFAN88 Wrote:
(02-14-2018, 02:31 PM)Jags02 Wrote:

Virtually every player is playing through some kind of injury during the season. I'm not buy that as an excuse for Blake. Blake redeemed himself a bit by having less INTs this past season, but overall we could be doing so much more if his passes were simply more accurate. I don't ever see Blake being consistently accurate... just streaky accurate at times. On top of that he requires a good running game to keep him from throwing so much so his arm doesn't go out, and thankfully we were able to give him that much this past season.

His accuracy is fine. If the WR and TE caught half the passes they droped he would be at about 68% which would put him second for the entire season behind brees.
hahahahahahahaha

68%?! I've heard some hot takes but this one is the hottest.

In reality, it's 62.7% and if the team had no drops at all its 65%..... but 68% sounds great!
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(02-14-2018, 03:12 PM)JAGFAN88 Wrote:
(02-14-2018, 02:31 PM)Jags02 Wrote:

Virtually every player is playing through some kind of injury during the season. I'm not buy that as an excuse for Blake. Blake redeemed himself a bit by having less INTs this past season, but overall we could be doing so much more if his passes were simply more accurate. I don't ever see Blake being consistently accurate... just streaky accurate at times. On top of that he requires a good running game to keep him from throwing so much so his arm doesn't go out, and thankfully we were able to give him that much this past season.

His accuracy is fine. If the WR and TE caught half the passes they droped he would be at about 68% which would put him second for the entire season behind brees.
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http://gridironnow.com/jaguars-qb-dilemm...=hootsuite

Go find Hays and try to make all the same weak arguments that were tried here and see what he says.
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(02-14-2018, 04:34 PM)Upper Wrote: http://gridironnow.com/jaguars-qb-dilemm...=hootsuite

Go find Hays and try to make all the same weak arguments that were tried here and see what he says.

He did not include the third option of signing him to an extention now at 20-22 mill for 2 0r 3 years which if they are comitted to BB5 is the best option for the salary cap.

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(02-14-2018, 04:34 PM)Upper Wrote: http://gridironnow.com/jaguars-qb-dilemm...=hootsuite

Go find Hays and try to make all the same weak arguments that were tried here and see what he says.

His argument is strictly based upon Cousins vs Bortles.  (either will get you in cap trouble in 2020)

The argument should be Cousins vs Bortles (for one year) and a then rookie from the 2018 draft to take over in 2019. 

 Also his long term money argument is weak as hell. He just conveniently dimisses Fowler and Myles Jack's second contracts and doesn't even try to do the math should both of them play well enough to warrant being kept.
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