Tajh Boyd did suck, that floater he threw was awful. I want no part of him, take Murray or Thomas over him for sure.

 

TMD is a master- he's laying the groundwork for a meltdown over our not taking Garoppolo or the same groundwork for an I told you so if we do take him. I give him credit for recalling the Kellen Winslow trade, though, that was truly Brian Sexton-esque.

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I think this is one of those examples where stats don't accurately tell the whole story. Fales got the bulk of his stats on 2 plays to wide open receivers. 

 

Per the eye test in this game, Jimmy Garoppalo looked the part of NFL QB the best. He looked natural under Center, fluid with his dropback, textbook delivery, compact quick release, good velocity on his passes as well as decent passing accuracy on the run. 

 

I agree with you about Garoppalo.    I was wondering if it was just me.  I'm glad someone else saw it, too.   I still think he can be had in the 2nd round, though.  

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Tajh Boyd did suck, that floater he threw was awful. I want no part of him, take Murray or Thomas over him for sure.

 

TMD is a master- he's laying the groundwork for a meltdown over our not taking Garoppolo or the same groundwork for an I told you so if we do take him. I give him credit for recalling the Kellen Winslow trade, though, that was truly Brian Sexton-esque.

 

Laying the groundwork for not taking Garoppolo? He's my 5th ranked QB. Are you becoming a sheep like some of the rest on this board? Disappointing if so. I thought you were of the "Bullseye" level of poster....but that kinda comment puts you right back with some of the pirksters. 

 

I'll have a meltdown if we don't get ANY of my top 5 QB, but not melting down over a single one we missed, provided we ultimately get great value overall for most of our picks. 

 

edit: check that, Bullseye did it too, albeit more low key.... disappointed in you guys...smh

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For every trade that happens, there are many more that don't.


Please TMD, don't let this be a case of you laying the groundwork for another contrived criticism.

 

If Caldwell is unable to make a few solid deals that net us some value in this draft, I will criticize him. I see good GM's make these kind of deals almost every draft. The Patriots for years were getting another 1st round pick for the following year - to the point where I started wondering why these other GM's kept doing it, but then you realize if the guy on the Patriots is smart enough and wants to keep making these deals, theres a deal to be made. Similar thinking with Caldwell and the upcoming draft as pertaining to trade downs and netting value. The only way a few value laden trade down deals don't happen for the Jags is if Caldwell goes all Gene Smith on us like the 2010 draft. 

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I came away from this Senior Bowl a bit disappointed.

That's usually how I come away from reading your posts.

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"Before you criticize a man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, if he gets angry, he's a mile away and barefoot."

I don't get the whole value thing...if we take a guy 3rd over all and he is a beast who cares...if we take Dee Ford and he turns into a double digit sack guy for years to come then who cares if the "rest" of the league had him rated as a 2nd rounder or not...value can be tied to the players contributions on the field...if we take the right guys does it matter where we take them?  I don't think so...I mean if we take Clowney and he turns into a Harvey 2.0 clone does it really matter that he was "seen as a top 3 talent" by the league?  I don't think so...it is still a wasted pick.  Point is no one is laughing at the Pats if they had taken Brady in the first vs. the 6th now...

 

I just want my GM to pick impact players and who cares what the "rest of the league" has them graded...not to mention no one has any idea how any teams really have a guy graded...all we have to go on are the talking heads.

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Laying the groundwork for not taking Garoppolo? He's my 5th ranked QB. Are you becoming a sheep like some of the rest on this board? Disappointing if so. I thought you were of the "Bullseye" level of poster....but that kinda comment puts you right back with some of the pirksters. 

 

I'll have a meltdown if we don't get ANY of my top 5 QB, but not melting down over a single one we missed, provided we ultimately get great value overall for most of our picks. 

 

edit: check that, Bullseye did it too, albeit more low key.... disappointed in you guys...smh

Lets face it, you're going to ***** and moan no matter who we draft 

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I don't get the whole value thing...if we take a guy 3rd over all and he is a beast who cares...if we take Dee Ford and he turns into a double digit sack guy for years to come then who cares if the "rest" of the league had him rated as a 2nd rounder or not...value can be tied to the players contributions on the field...if we take the right guys does it matter where we take them?  I don't think so...I mean if we take Clowney and he turns into a Harvey 2.0 clone does it really matter that he was "seen as a top 3 talent" by the league?  I don't think so...it is still a wasted pick.  Point is no one is laughing at the Pats if they had taken Brady in the first vs. the 6th now...

 

I just want my GM to pick impact players and who cares what the "rest of the league" has them graded...not to mention no one has any idea how any teams really have a guy graded...all we have to go on are the talking heads.

 

 

Value does matter. 

 

Even if you like something more than anyone else, why pay $200 for it, when you can get it for $50. 

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Value does matter. 

 

Even if you like something more than anyone else, why pay $200 for it, when you can get it for $50.

Just because someone on a message board says you can get it for $50, doesn't make it true.

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Laying the groundwork for not taking Garoppolo? He's my 5th ranked QB. Are you becoming a sheep like some of the rest on this board? Disappointing if so. I thought you were of the "Bullseye" level of poster....but that kinda comment puts you right back with some of the pirksters. 

 

I'll have a meltdown if we don't get ANY of my top 5 QB, but not melting down over a single one we missed, provided we ultimately get great value overall for most of our picks. 

 

edit: check that, Bullseye did it too, albeit more low key.... disappointed in you guys...smh

 

 

Be disappointed in me all you like.

 

It seems that's how you work.  I thought you were a legitimate critical voice, until you started trashing Bradley within HOURS of him being named coach.

 

Has nothing to do with attacking you personally, like some others who get into it with you.

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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000...r-bowl-qbs

 

 

 

 

 

-I always do my best to note which players take leadership roles during the week of practice. Tajh Boyd, Derek Carr, Will Sutton, Kyle Van Noy, and Jordan Zumwalt all appeared to garner respect from the teammates they practiced with.

 

http://www.optimumscouting.com/draft/art...-more.html



http://members.jacksonville.com/opinion/...=hootsuite

 

http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/S...-Watch.php

 

 

Some post-Senior Bowl stuff I came across today

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Lets face it, you're going to [BAD WORD REMOVED]* and moan no matter who we draft 

No matter who they hire, fire, draft, sign, release, start, bench, demote, promote or shake hands with at the combine....

 

...our resident troll will invent 100 things wrong with it.   Or prognosticate how the Jags will likely screw up an upcoming decision - which is what we have to endure for the next few months.  It's sad. 

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No way Ford goes in the top 15.  He's a very undersized DE.  Even though he's a very good player, GMs don't like that.  To counter his size, he must put up insane numbers at the combine.

Something like Bruce Irvin did.. he ran a 4.41s forty at 245 lbs... which is unheard of.  I don't think Ford gets close to that.  He'll be a late 1st or early 2nd rounder.

I hope you are correct. That way, the Jags could trade back up into the back of the 1st or very top of the 2nd and not have to give up very much (maybe their 1st 4th round pick).

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If Caldwell is unable to make a few solid deals that net us some value in this draft, I will criticize him. I see good GM's make these kind of deals almost every draft. The Patriots for years were getting another 1st round pick for the following year - to the point where I started wondering why these other GM's kept doing it, but then you realize if the guy on the Patriots is smart enough and wants to keep making these deals, theres a deal to be made. Similar thinking with Caldwell and the upcoming draft as pertaining to trade downs and netting value. The only way a few value laden trade down deals don't happen for the Jags is if Caldwell goes all Gene Smith on us like the 2010 draft. 

 

But why trade down if the player you want is on the board?

 

I'm not talking the Alualu type reach that ridiculous Gene Smith was known for.

 

I'm talking if we are at three and Clowney is on the board, why trade down when we have the chance to get a star caliber player YOU acknowledged we need?

 

The Patriots were able to do that for years thanks to the Jets, who traded them all of those picks for Curtis Martin, added to an already loaded roster.  Since they had few if any immediate needs over the years and a lot of picks with which to operate, it made it a lot easier to trade down for a future first round pick.

 

That's a lot different than the Jaguars situation, where the Jaguars have a lot of immediate needs.

 

I am not saying I am categorically opposed to trading down irrespective of circumstances.  What I am saying is that there may be circumstances where trading down is unwise.  There may be times where trading down is not feasible.  There may be times where the team does not trade down and still maximized the value in their draft picks.  Under those circumstances, it's silly to criticize the team for not trading down.

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Anyone know if that TE Gillmore from Colorado St. was invited to the combine?  

 

I think he'd be a nice pick with one of our fourth rounders. 

 

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsp...&genpos=TE

 

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I am not saying I am categorically opposed to trading down irrespective of circumstances.  What I am saying is that there may be circumstances where trading down is unwise.  There may be times where trading down is not feasible.  There may be times where the team does not trade down and still maximized the value in their draft picks.  Under those circumstances, it's silly to criticize the team for not trading down.

 

Guarantee you he will complain that we didn't trade down for at least one of our first 3 picks.

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Guarantee you he will complain that we didn't trade down for at least one of our first 3 picks.

 

Sadly, that seems like a safe bet.

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Anyone know if that TE Gillmore from Colorado St. was invited to the combine?  

 

I think he'd be a nice pick with one of our fourth rounders. 

 

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsp...&genpos=TE

 

 

Yupp he and the center Richburg will be at the combine.

 

http://www.coloradoan.com/article/201312...fl-combine

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Yupp he and the center Richburg will be at the combine.

 

http://www.coloradoan.com/article/201312...fl-combine

Nice. Thanks. 

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Be disappointed in me all you like.

 

It seems that's how you work.  I thought you were a legitimate critical voice, until you started trashing Bradley within HOURS of him being named coach.

 

Has nothing to do with attacking you personally, like some others who get into it with you.

 

I'm tired of going over this. Yes I was critical of Bradley hours after the hire, partly because I did not want the hire to come so soon after one interview. I wanted Roman and the Falcons guy to be interviewed first, and I wanted second interviews before a final decision was made. It was the way we hired Caldwell and I wanted the same method to be utilized on any head coach we hired that did not possess head coach experience prior. I'll admit some of it was fear of "everything we seem to do is wrong", so I had a little of that, but too bad, thats what over a decade straight of bad decisions will do.  When we start developing a reputation of making solid moves, guess what - then my automatic thinking the worst for us will also fade, and turn into the opposite. 

 

No matter who they hire, fire, draft, sign, release, start, bench, demote, promote or shake hands with at the combine....

 

...our resident troll will invent 100 things wrong with it.   Or prognosticate how the Jags will likely screw up an upcoming decision - which is what we have to endure for the next few months.  It's sad. 

 

Oh really? Like Joeckel? Oops. Like Blackmon? Oops. Like picks 5-7? OOps. 

 

Theres things I like that we've done and there have been things I have not liked. Its not my fault the majority have been moves I have not liked. 

 

But why trade down if the player you want is on the board?

 

I'm not talking the Alualu type reach that ridiculous Gene Smith was known for.

 

I'm talking if we are at three and Clowney is on the board, why trade down when we have the chance to get a star caliber player YOU acknowledged we need?

 

The Patriots were able to do that for years thanks to the Jets, who traded them all of those picks for Curtis Martin, added to an already loaded roster.  Since they had few if any immediate needs over the years and a lot of picks with which to operate, it made it a lot easier to trade down for a future first round pick.

 

That's a lot different than the Jaguars situation, where the Jaguars have a lot of immediate needs.

 

I am not saying I am categorically opposed to trading down irrespective of circumstances.  What I am saying is that there may be circumstances where trading down is unwise.  There may be times where trading down is not feasible.  There may be times where the team does not trade down and still maximized the value in their draft picks.  Under those circumstances, it's silly to criticize the team for not trading down.

 

If Clowney is on the board, and someone offers us a package of picks that include multiple good picks for 2014 and also a first rounder or more for 2015, I say you have to consider it and most likely take it. Weigh the potential benefits as well as concerns with Clowney. I'll be fine with Clowney at 3. But I'd also be fine with a trade down from 3 that nets us a lot of value. 

 

Anyone know if that TE Gillmore from Colorado St. was invited to the combine?  

 

I think he'd be a nice pick with one of our fourth rounders. 

 

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsp...&genpos=TE

 

 

Isn't that the guy that dropped Garropolo's pass that was right in his eggos?

 

Sadly, that seems like a safe bet.

 

Yes, we know. Mob. 

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