Also, I can't help but think that most of the armchair scouts and draftniks out there are just looking at the prospects from a completely different perspective than what the Organizations are. There was a quote last year from someone who was a Team employee that basically stated that the Draft is, and always has been, about measureables. There are only so many humans on the planet that can survive on a football field, much less have success, so you had better get you one when you can.

 

To me, that says that scouts/coaches/teams are looking for athletes first that they can train into football players. They aren't really worried about the prospects skill sets per se, because they can teach skills. What they cannot teach is how to be 6' 5" and run a sub 4.8 40. We as fans are always enamored with the success stories of guys who "just win" and all of that and I totally understand why that is, but I just can't shake the feeling that those types of players scare the [dirty word] out of teams.

 

Anyway, that's my rant. Anyone got a cookie?

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I'm trying to make myself more informed and less opinionated.

Stop saying whatever stupid thing you're talking about and pay attention to all the interesting things I have to say!

Also, I can't help but think that most of the armchair scouts and draftniks out there are just looking at the prospects from a completely different perspective than what the Organizations are. There was a quote last year from someone who was a Team employee that basically stated that the Draft is, and always has been, about measureables. There are only so many humans on the planet that can survive on a football field, much less have success, so you had better get you one when you can.

 

To me, that says that scouts/coaches/teams are looking for athletes first that they can train into football players. They aren't really worried about the prospects skill sets per se, because they can teach skills. What they cannot teach is how to be 6' 5" and run a sub 4.8 40. We as fans are always enamored with the success stories of guys who "just win" and all of that and I totally understand why that is, but I just can't shake the feeling that those types of players scare the [dirty word] out of teams.

 

Anyway, that's my rant. Anyone got a cookie?

 

I did but I hit that button that said "Delete Cookies".

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I did but I hit that button that said "Delete Cookies".

 

Uh huh. Those crumbs on your shirt tell a different story though, don't they?

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I'm trying to make myself more informed and less opinionated.

Stop saying whatever stupid thing you're talking about and pay attention to all the interesting things I have to say!

But have you seen his SPARQ Spider Chart??? I mean have you studied it? No, didn't think so. You's a box score scout. You can't even spell cutup.

 

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Also, I can't help but think that most of the armchair scouts and draftniks out there are just looking at the prospects from a completely different perspective than what the Organizations are. There was a quote last year from someone who was a Team employee that basically stated that the Draft is, and always has been, about measureables. There are only so many humans on the planet that can survive on a football field, much less have success, so you had better get you one when you can.

 

To me, that says that scouts/coaches/teams are looking for athletes first that they can train into football players. They aren't really worried about the prospects skill sets per se, because they can teach skills. What they cannot teach is how to be 6' 5" and run a sub 4.8 40. We as fans are always enamored with the success stories of guys who "just win" and all of that and I totally understand why that is, but I just can't shake the feeling that those types of players scare the [dirty word] out of teams.

 

Anyway, that's my rant. Anyone got a cookie?

You deserve one after that-and not those disgusting Oreos, either.

 

While teams also value productivity at the college levvel (I know Jimmy Johnson did at Dallas), team's typically are not in the habit of drafting "Rudy."

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You deserve one after that-and not those disgusting Oreos, either.

 

While teams also value productivity at the college levvel (I know Jimmy Johnson did at Dallas), team's typically are not in the habit of drafting "Rudy."

You and I agree here, but as I look back I see that my point is incomplete. It's not just getting superior athletes onto the roster, it's that the teams need players that they can train. Very, very few prospects are NFL ready right out of the box, and when they are they go quick. Carrying that thought out a bit it tells me that by and large teams are going to get players that require coaching and development. So you need to have prospects that 1. can be taught and 2. can develop.

 

This concept is why I'm really circumspect about how anyone can properly evaluate a prospect without speaking to his coaches. Yes, you can see what he did but is it what he was taught to do? Did he ever make strides in his learning? Did he take to coaching? Is he self-motivated? Without knowing these critical parameters, you are getting a severely incomplete picture of the overall prospect. And as far as I know, not too many TwitterScouts have access to that kind of thing.

 

Sure, we can all "watch tape" and do a "critical analysis of parameters" and things like that, but if the guy cannot or will not develop/learn then what good is he?

 

Now I want two cookies, and what do you have against Oreos anyway?!?!

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I'm trying to make myself more informed and less opinionated.

Stop saying whatever stupid thing you're talking about and pay attention to all the interesting things I have to say!

You and I agree here, but as I look back I see that my point is incomplete. It's not just getting superior athletes onto the roster, it's that the teams need players that they can train. Very, very few prospects are NFL ready right out of the box, and when they are they go quick. Carrying that thought out a bit it tells me that by and large teams are going to get players that require coaching and development. So you need to have prospects that 1. can be taught and 2. can develop.

 

This concept is why I'm really circumspect about how anyone can properly evaluate a prospect without speaking to his coaches. Yes, you can see what he did but is it what he was taught to do? Did he ever make strides in his learning? Did he take to coaching? Is he self-motivated? Without knowing these critical parameters, you are getting a severely incomplete picture of the overall prospect. And as far as I know, not too many TwitterScouts have access to that kind of thing.

 

Sure, we can all "watch tape" and do a "critical analysis of parameters" and things like that, but if the guy cannot or will not develop/learn then what good is he?

 

Now I want two cookies, and what do you have against Oreos anyway?!?!

I agree completely with that.

 

We have no way of ascertaining-aside from what is at best 3rd or 4th hand testimony-what the character/intangible set of a player is from our side of the computer screen.

 

I was one of the biggest advocates for Justin Blackmon and against Michael Floyd in 2012.

 

Why?

 

Because based upon all of the information available to me without talking to his coaches and others who had superior information, he had the one DUI arrest in college.  Meanwhile, Floyd had numerous alcohol related incidents and suspension, to the point where he was almost kicked off the team and he supposedly stayed his last year in the Freshman dorm.

 

As you know, Blackmon has barely played due to substance related suspensions, while Floyd seemingly hasn't had a hint of trouble and has been a productive player-occasionally dominant-for the Cards.

 

A lot of the stuff about Blackmon's indiscretions in college came to light after the post draft, pre-minicamp arrest.  By then it was too late for any of us who advocated for his selection pre draft to save face for being wrong.

 

And you really need to ask about Oreos...the most overrated cookie on the market?!?  It speaks volumes that most people actually discard the cookies after eating the creme.  They taste burnt.  Why not just dig into a bag of Kingsford charcoal if you have a taste for the actual cookie part of Oreos?

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Meanwhile, this development may hurt a potential trade partner.  While I am opposed to piping in crowd noise (waiting for the hammer to be dropped on the Colts) this potentially sucks for us.

 

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...raft-pick/

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I agree completely with that.

 

We have no way of ascertaining-aside from what is at best 3rd or 4th hand testimony-what the character/intangible set of a player is from our side of the computer screen.

 

I was one of the biggest advocates for Justin Blackmon and against Michael Floyd in 2012.

 

Why?

 

Because based upon all of the information available to me without talking to his coaches and others who had superior information, he had the one DUI arrest in college.  Meanwhile, Floyd had numerous alcohol related incidents and suspension, to the point where he was almost kicked off the team and he supposedly stayed his last year in the Freshman dorm.

 

As you know, Blackmon has barely played due to substance related suspensions, while Floyd seemingly hasn't had a hint of trouble and has been a productive player-occasionally dominant-for the Cards.

 

A lot of the stuff about Blackmon's indiscretions in college came to light after the post draft, pre-minicamp arrest.  By then it was too late for any of us who advocated for his selection pre draft to save face for being wrong.

 

And you really need to ask about Oreos...the most overrated cookie on the market?!?  It speaks volumes that most people actually discard the cookies after eating the creme.  They taste burnt.  Why not just dig into a bag of Kingsford charcoal if you have a taste for the actual cookie part of Oreos?

 

I think I may actually concede to your point about Oreos, but under significant duress.

 

Another point to the Draft that really confuses me with some people is when they state that a guy "doesn't look like a top ten selection to me." Drafts are unique things in that they get compared across the years but they are individual things in and of themselves. There really are ten players in every draft that are better than every other player who can be selected in that specific draft. Now, those players may not be as good as "top ten" players from other drafts, but their value within their class remains. And if the argument is made that in order to get the most value out of a high draft selection in a weak draft a team needs to trade back, that is contingent on some other team viewing players differently than you.

 

If you have a bead set on a guy that you think is the best player in a particular draft and he is there at your pick, how is the value diminished if you take him? Granted, misses happen all the time in draft selections, but the value is still there.

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I'm trying to make myself more informed and less opinionated.

Stop saying whatever stupid thing you're talking about and pay attention to all the interesting things I have to say!

Also, I can't help but think that most of the armchair scouts and draftniks out there are just looking at the prospects from a completely different perspective than what the Organizations are. There was a quote last year from someone who was a Team employee that basically stated that the Draft is, and always has been, about measureables. There are only so many humans on the planet that can survive on a football field, much less have success, so you had better get you one when you can.

 

To me, that says that scouts/coaches/teams are looking for athletes first that they can train into football players. They aren't really worried about the prospects skill sets per se, because they can teach skills. What they cannot teach is how to be 6' 5" and run a sub 4.8 40. We as fans are always enamored with the success stories of guys who "just win" and all of that and I totally understand why that is, but I just can't shake the feeling that those types of players scare the [dirty word] out of teams.

 

Anyway, that's my rant. Anyone got a cookie?

 

 

If it's really all about measurables over skill set, then they should really want Beasley over Fowler.

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Watch him run and read up on his weaknesses. Lynch is a horrible comparison.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/j...id=2552582

What do you see and read? I'm just sayin you should stop wasting your time with the draft and just let it happen

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If it's really all about measurables over skill set, then they should really want Beasley over Fowler.

That's how you get busts like Beasley, ray, Gregory, and Jordan. When the actual great players have both like fowler and mack but what do I know

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That's how you get busts like Beasley, ray, Gregory, and Jordan. When the actual great players have both like fowler and mack but what do I know

If you aint on a NFL//College teams staff…about as much as the rest of us

 

and you forgot to add JPP and Aldon Smith in with the Beasleys and Gregorys...

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If you aint on a NFL//College teams staff…about as much as the rest of us
 
and you forgot to add JPP and Aldon Smith in with the Beasleys and Gregorys...

JPP and Smith had inside pass rush moves and counters just like Ansah you have to have both to be great

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JPP and Smith had inside pass rush moves and counters just like Ansah you have to have both to be great

 

Beasley complements his speed rush with a balanced and tight spin back to the inside and a surprisingly effective bull rush.

 

From:http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/playe...ete-prisco

 

Gregory: Compares To: Aldon Smith, San Francisco 49ers

 

From:http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/playe...dy-gregory

 

 

People who get paid seem to think Beasley//Gregory fit in with the JPP//Aldon Smiths of the world….

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If you aint on a NFL//College teams staff…about as much as the rest of us

 

and you forgot to add JPP and Aldon Smith in with the Beasleys and Gregorys...

 

 

...not to mention JJ Watt.

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Beasley complements his speed rush with a balanced and tight spin back to the inside and a surprisingly effective bull rush.

From:<a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1765885/pete-prisco'>http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1765885/pete-prisco</a>


Gregory: Compares To: Aldon Smith, San Francisco 49ers

From:<a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/2060630/randy-gregory'>http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/2060630/randy-gregory</a>



People who get paid seem to think Beasley//Gregory fit in with the JPP//Aldon Smiths of the world….

Beasley and Gregory get destroyed in the run game and Beasley has no heart neither does Gregory and saying they have more than an outside speed Rush is false. Well just see who busts and I'll be right but no one will remember and we'll have this same argument next year

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...not to mention JJ Watt.

Do you even know what your talking about? How r u a mod

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Do you even know what your talking about? How r u a mod

 

 

Sure I do. JJ Watt had the best combine stats by far among all the DL prospects just like Beasley does this year. People downplayed that saying he wasn't as great on tape and is just a workout warrior, but just looks at what JJ has done in the NFL.


 

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This from Peter King in today's MMQB...

 

 

You want to pick in the top nine. Here’s what a few football people at the league meetings are thinking about the breakdown of this draft: Nine prime picks, then eight or 10 really good prospects, then maybe 30 or so of the same player. The top nine: quarterbacks Jameis Winston and Marcus Mariota, defensive tackle Leonard Williams, wideouts Kevin White and Amari Cooper, pass-rushers Dante Fowler and Vic Beasley, offensive tackle Brandon Scherff and cornerback Trae Waynes. After that, beauty starts to be in the eye of the beholder. I had one GM tell me: “The 17^th pick on our board might be the 53^rd pick on another team’s board—and that could be a team we really respect.”

 

If this is true, would this impact your trade down advocacy?

 

Would you be deterred from trading down with say, Cleveland or New Orleans?

 

Would you be content for a less dramatic trade down in the hopes of getting one of the top nine?

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