Except Bortles led his team to a bowl, had way better stats, and wasn't outdone by Chase freakin' Daniels.  I'm not saying Bortles is an amazing prospect, but he's better than Gabbert was, and has more than just measurables.

 

Chase Daniels was outstanding in college....

 

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You do recall that he beat Bridgewater in their head to head matchup, right?

 

I won't say that he's the most impressive guy I've ever seen play, but his stats are significantly better than Gabbert's were.

 

Better than Gabbert's, yes.....but thats not really saying much. Similar to Gabbert's previous college season though. 

 

He's not really late rising though.  Most didn't expect Bortles to come out this year.  Bortles looks WAY better on tape than Gabbert ever did.  And he has a WAY better completion percentage than Gabbert did.  

 

People didn't expect Gabbert to declare, either. 

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The only reason Mack is ranked above Barr is because Mack can be used in coverage. 

 

Barr is going to be the better pass rusher of the 2. But a pass rusher is pretty much all Barr will be. 

 

Well, Mack is also a more complete pass rusher than Barr.  Barr is going to be a terrible pass rusher unless he develops in the NFL.  Barr has almost no pass rush moves and just speed rushes.  Mack has an assortment of moves and can also bull rush or push the point of attack, which I don't think Barr will be able to do at the next level if he can't even do it in college.

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Bortles is pretty good in the pocket imo.  He's not Gabbert, but I fear the NFL game will be too fast for him.  His decision making will decide his success.

 

Whether or not he "lights up a room" or "is larger than life" or "takes over a room" will literally do nothing to make him successful as a QB.

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Better than Gabbert's, yes.....but thats not really saying much. Similar to Gabbert's previous college season though. 

 

 

People didn't expect Gabbert to declare, either. 

 

Since when did Bortles have a season with sub 60% completion percent exactly?

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I was wrong about Trent Baalke. 

Blake the snake is a damn good prospect. Not on Teddy's level but I do believe be will be a franchise type player.


Good pocket movement, feels pressure, adequate arm, great intermediate thrower, and a pretty good improviser. Doesn't hurt that he's led ucf on game winning drivers.


Anyone who says Gabbert on this topic has no idea what they are talking about. This "late rise" is only because no one thought he would declare. At the start of the season he was a lock to stay one more year.

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Well, Mack is also a more complete pass rusher than Barr.  Barr is going to be a terrible pass rusher unless he develops in the NFL.  Barr has almost no pass rush moves and just speed rushes.  Mack has an assortment of moves and can also bull rush or push the point of attack, which I don't think Barr will be able to do at the next level if he can't even do it in college.

 

If Barr was able to get home like he did in college with no moves, then wow, once (if ) that guy gets a good DL coach in the pro's then look out. 

 

Mack already has the moves and the most he can do is barely 10 QB sacks. Coaching isn't going to do much for him in the NFL to elevate. 

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Since when did Bortles have a season with sub 60% completion percent exactly?

 

I was talking similar in TD - INT - yardage numbers in Gabberts soph season to Bortles last season. 

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I was talking similar in TD - INT - yardage numbers in Gabberts soph season to Bortles last season. 

Gabbert threw fewer TD's his junior year though.  As far as rating goes, he's closer to *gasp* Ryan Mallett than Blaine Gabbert.

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I was wrong about Trent Baalke. 

I was talking similar in TD - INT - yardage numbers in Gabberts soph season to Bortles last season.

Spread offense vs pro style offense.

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If Barr was able to get home like he did in college with no moves, then wow, once (if ) that guy gets a good DL coach in the pro's then look out. 

 

Mack already has the moves and the most he can do is barely 10 QB sacks. Coaching isn't going to do much for him in the NFL to elevate. 

 

10 sacks with about half as many pass rushes.  He was also the only good player on that defense.

 

Barr won't be able to get home like he did in college with no pass rush moves.  Name one player who ever has.  Otherwise, cornerbacks would be playing defensive end like it's flag football.

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So... someone at the Jaguars told a reporter in the week before the draft that they were really impressed with Bortles.... Sound like a smokescreen to anyone ?


I wouldn't be against Bortles, but really not sure this story proves anything sadly.

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Spread offense vs pro style offense.

 

Exactly, Gabbert's offense was extremely similar to Derek Carr's with a few more read/option plays thrown in.  Gabbert should have completed 70% of his balls in that offense.  

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Well, Mack is also a more complete pass rusher than Barr.  Barr is going to be a terrible pass rusher unless he develops in the NFL.  Barr has almost no pass rush moves and just speed rushes.  Mack has an assortment of moves and can also bull rush or push the point of attack, which I don't think Barr will be able to do at the next level if he can't even do it in college.

 

Mack is an all around stud rushing linebacker in the mold of clay matthews. anthony barr is a raw talent that has no technique but he is already crowned the better future pass rusher  by TMD. thats why no one takes him seriously. 

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Coughlin when asked if winning will be a focus: "What the hell else is there? This is nice and dandy, but winning is what all this is about."

A late rising/ hyped QB that wows you on the chalkboard and in interviews, and with measurables, but wows you not at all on tape. 

 

Not sure how Gabbert was a "late riser". He was rated higher than Newton for most of that offseason. If anything he was a late faller.

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 thats why no one takes him seriously. 

I think comparing Bortles to Gabbert is more of a reason

 

or comparing Mack to Hart

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When it comes to this year's QB's. I don't believe in anything that's been reported from any source regarding specific teams. Bortles and Bridgewater would be 2nd day QB's if they were stacked up in the same class with Luck or RGIII. I'd say the same thing if this was three years ago with Newton, Locker, Gabbert and Ponder in the same class. In fact, if I had to rank all of these guys coming out of college. It would go in this order.

 

1. Andrew Luck

2. Cam Newton

3. Robert Griffin III

4. Johnny Manziel

5. Christian Ponder (I was high on him the year we took Gabbert, was hoping to nab him in RD2 though)

6. Jake Locker

7. Teddy Bridgewater

8. E.J Manuel

9. Blaine Gabbert

10. Blake Bortles

 

That's how I view them and rank them if they were coming out of college all at the same time. I honestly didn't know much about Gabbert (much like Bortles this year) up until maybe three month's prior to their respective drafts. That's always concerned me with the QB position. Luck and Newton I knew plenty about prior to them being drafted. I follow the SEC so I saw Newton quite a bit out of Auburn. He was very fun to watch and I knew he'd be able to get by in the NFL. I didn't know that he would be a bit of a headcase from time to time though once he got in the NFL. He experienced a lot of success early on at Auburn and I don't think he was prepared for losses. He's redeemed himself though by making the play-offs in his third season. Same can be said for RGIII and Manziel. Those guys were impressive players as freshman due to their dual threat ability and you could always catch them on the highlight reels on ESPN, etc.

 

Ponder and Manuel, obviously living in Jacksonville, you'll hear about and even watch some FSU games from time to time. I liked what I saw out of Ponder and he should have been a 2nd RD pick that year before the crazy (and now foolish) looking QB run a few years ago. But again, when it comes to these seemingly "out-of-nowhere" QB prospects, I ALWAYS worry about that. I'll always prefer the big name, well known commodity over the guy that JUST emerged. Like I said, you can't deny what Manziel has done in college. Personally, I think Teddy would have been better off staying for his final year at Louisville. It would have further cemented him a better position in 2015's draft. I think what's hurting his stock right now, aside from his poor pro-day showing is the fact that Manziel is a legitimate dual threat at the next level (Which, like it or not, is becoming the trending skill-set now for QB's, Wilson in SEA, Kaepernick in SF are showing that it's possible to win this way) and that Bortles is just a BIG DUDE with a BIG ARM at QB. And he's a bit more lanky for the position. So it's scared off some teams.

 

With that said though. I think he's a better prospect than Bortles, but just a step or two behind Manziel because Manziel has that "IT" factor and Bridgewater doesn't. I think best case scenario, Teddy can potentially end up like Andy Dalton or Ryan Tannehill, worst case, he'll end up like Mark Sanchez or where Sam Bradford is eventually headed to here shortly. He's very smart, he's very accurate, and he makes quick decisions on film. He's also not shy in the pocket and he WILL stand there and take the lick if he has to do it. That's the part I am worried about in the NFL for him. These guys are going to be about a second or two faster and smarter, and if he doesn't have the arm strength on point, he's going to make some costly mistakes. Bortles has him beat in that area because he's got a stronger and faster arm, if he's coached up properly, his upside is going to be greater than Bridgewater's. Same thing with Manziel. If things collapse around Manziel, he'll just tuck it and run, or dance around a bit to make some time for the play to breakdown in the secondary.

 

This is what I think is going to happen though in a few weeks.

 

1. Johnny Manziel will get drafted at #5 overall by OAK. He'll be the first QB taken off the board. That'll be the back-up plan/insurance policy incase Schuab can't get it done early and often enough during the pre-season/regular season.

 

2. Blake Bortles will get drafted at #8 overall by MIN. He'll be Zimmer's guy. Ponder didn't work out due to injuries/inconsistency and Zimmer knows how to coach/correct the defense. He needs a QB with a big arm that can get it done and not get in Peterson's way.

 

3. Teddy Bridgewater falls into the PERFECT situation at #20 for ARZ with Bruce Arians taking him to learn behind and eventually replace Palmer at QB in 2015. Teddy will probably go onto to have the most impressive career by the time we look back at this draftclass in 2016 or 2017 simply because Arians knows exactly what he's doing at the QB position. OAK will ruin Manziel. Bortles will not outshine Peterson in MIN. He'll be a decent QB though. But not quite good enough to hang in there with guys like Rodgers and Stafford in that NFC North division.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

Chase Daniels was outstanding in college....

 

That's part of my point.  Chase sucked as a pro, yet he was able to put up monster numbers in that system, something Gabbert couldn't even come close to doing.  His college stats sucked, which should have been a huge red flag.

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Not sure how Gabbert was a "late riser". He was rated higher than Newton for most of that offseason. If anything he was a late faller.

 

Exactly.

 

Nick Foles was a late riser, too.  Ben Roethlisberger.  EJ Manuel.

 

Typically, the "ideal" sized QBs with big arms rise when it comes to draft day (if they weren't on the radar already.)  It's why Logan Thomas is getting so much talk lately.  It doesn't mean they pan out, it's just that's what GMs and coaches covet.  An ideally built QB with a skillset/toolset they think they can craft a top QB out of.  Not much else is looked at, since winning in college doesn't guarantee you can win in the NFL.  You can't win on yesterday's success or failure.  But if you have skills and physical traits that aren't coachable, then coaches believe they can mold the rest into their QB.

 

Personality is a big part of what can't be coached, that is necessary for a franchise QB.  Gabbert came off as the young kid he was, and never commanded a room.  There's at least one QB at the top of this class who is even more that timid.  Doesn't sound like they feel that way about Bortles.  I was actually surprised at Boyd's poise and confidence, even after the humpty dumpty like fall from grace he's had.

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"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."

He wows me on tape.

 

You clearly don't have TMD's mom's 30 year old VCR.  It's magical in playing tapes in a way that make any player unimpressive.  You probably use one of those new fangled high def things, or those pesky interwebs.  Back in the 80's, people had to walk 15 miles uphill in the snow to buy VHS tapes, then climb up on the roof to make sure the antenna was properly directed.  Then they'd click through the 4 channels to find a game they could record.  TMD prefers to go old school like that.  His mom won't spring for cable.

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Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.