According to talent grades there were two hundred and twelve spaces in between Warford and Gratz. The difference in talent is ridiculous.

 

This happens all the time with the so called needs drafting method. Caldwell took Ace Sanders instead of Brian Schwenke.

 

you could do this with any team in the league, that's the benefit of hindsight

 

and Guard and Center were both needs last year, so I don't see how you percieve those to be need picks

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I'm baffled at this board and some of you people, though no pun intended lol.  Our franchise QB will be a guy not even at the top of this year's class?  Ya'll need to stop drinking the brady hope juice.  Name the jags best 2-7 round QB and our worst 1st round QB and tell me what round we should draft one since we've had so much success outside the 1st.  Don't tell me about any other team with a former or current 2-7 round great QB  because im not concerned with there once in a decade or more hits, WE ARE JAGUARS act like it and stop stroking every fantasy ego of other team s' memories and moments.  We'll never stand alone if we play copycat or little brother to every franchise who has success at one point in time or another.  I like JFF but i'll accept Bridgewater or Bortles before any 2-7 round QB.  If they were worth it, they should've showed it by now instead of us gambling on 2nd tier talent or late risers every year though not every round except under DC so far. Im using my PS3 browser so keep the grammar chatter in school not here.

 

I suppose there are too many of you who falsely believe that it's franchise QB or bust for the Jaguars in 2014.

 

Sorry, but we're not likely to land our franchise QB this year.  Not unless we choose wisely and have patience while he develops.  Still, chances are that isn't happening.

 

You simply can't manufacture a franchise QB out of a crop of questionable candidates.

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You simply can't manufacture a franchise QB out of a crop of questionable candidates.

 

I gotta hand it to ya, pirk. You haven't wavered from your stance of the QB being quetionable candidates all offseason. 

 

Credit where due. You've been consistent. 

 

 

 

(I still disagree in that I believe a franchise QB or 2 will come from this class)

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I suppose there are too many of you who falsely believe that it's franchise QB or bust for the Jaguars in 2014.

 

Sorry, but we're not likely to land our franchise QB this year.  Not unless we choose wisely and have patience while he develops.  Still, chances are that isn't happening.

 

You simply can't manufacture a franchise QB out of a crop of questionable candidates.

 

i believe that if so many posters and fans believe picking a late round QB could develop into a future franchise guy, then how is that even common sense if even the top 3 QB's aren't even worthy of that same play.  I dont deny a DE at 3 like clowney but i'll rather wait till rounds 4-7 to get a QB just because i guess for the depth chart if its that horrible at the position this yr.  Other position groups are to deep to go QB in rounds 2-4 if we dont take one of the top QB's in the 1st.  I'm just not understanding the logic of let's hope a franchise guy will be in the 4 or worse rated QB list than any of the top 3 because of our great QB development coaching techniques.  We'll see next thursday who DC wants but i doubt many of the so-called message board draft experts will be right.

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Season Tix, Section 409

2023 and still counting.....SB will finally be ours soon enough.
TLaw aka 'the prince that was promised' supporter.

+1 for Teddy.

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I do think there is a significant gap between talent and ceiling for the guys expected in the first and the one's in the second/third/etc. So I do agree that if I was GM, I would make the call to take one of the QBs (Manziel, Bridgewater, Bortles; in that order); if they are there at our pick. I would rather trade down and acquire another 2nd rounder + and then take one of them. However, Caldwell and Bradley may not share my like of those 3 QBs as much. It all depends on what see as the highest need and if the value equals the pick#. We're almost there and will know for sure. I'm still liking the Manziel pick. Hopefully we can trade down to 6 or higher (not lower) and he'll still be there.


GO JAGS!!

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Let's Get Em!!!! Go Jags!

i believe that if so many posters and fans believe picking a late round QB could develop into a future franchise guy, then how is that even common sense if even the top 3 QB's aren't even worthy of that same play.  I dont deny a DE at 3 like clowney but i'll rather wait till rounds 4-7 to get a QB just because i guess for the depth chart if its that horrible at the position this yr.  Other position groups are to deep to go QB in rounds 2-4 if we dont take one of the top QB's in the 1st.  I'm just not understanding the logic of let's hope a franchise guy will be in the 4 or worse rated QB list than any of the top 3 because of our great QB development coaching techniques.  We'll see next thursday who DC wants but i doubt many of the so-called message board draft experts will be right.

 

I think you're missing the focus of the "don't draft one of those Quarterbacks in the Top Three" mindset. It's not that there is a better chance that a later round player may develop into a better Quarterback, but rather that there are players who will be available at the Number Three overall pick who are better players at their respective positions than any of those quarterbacks.

 

Some people have the philosophy of stacking talent along the entire roster, not just the Quarterback position.

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I'm trying to make myself more informed and less opinionated.

Stop saying whatever stupid thing you're talking about and pay attention to all the interesting things I have to say!

I think you're missing the focus of the "don't draft one of those Quarterbacks in the Top Three" mindset. It's not that there is a better chance that a later round player may develop into a better Quarterback, but rather that there are players who will be available at the Number Three overall pick who are better players at their respective positions than any of those quarterbacks.

 

Some people have the philosophy of stacking talent along the entire roster, not just the Quarterback position.

 

That's just crazy talk. 

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Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

That's just crazy talk. 

 

I know, I know. Just go with me on this.

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I'm trying to make myself more informed and less opinionated.

Stop saying whatever stupid thing you're talking about and pay attention to all the interesting things I have to say!

I think you're missing the focus of the "don't draft one of those Quarterbacks in the Top Three" mindset. It's not that there is a better chance that a later round player may develop into a better Quarterback, but rather that there are players who will be available at the Number Three overall pick who are better players at their respective positions than any of those quarterbacks.

 

Some people have the philosophy of stacking talent along the entire roster, not just the Quarterback position.

 

I feel the same exact way as you but stacking talent is what should be said.  I'm hearing, let's get our franchise guy in the 2nd-4th so is it stacking talent or just QB in round 1 fear.  Like i said b4, if we dont pick a QB thats in the top 3 then we are getting a future backup at best unless the football gods give us a miracle.  So we agree, its just posters need 2 kill the franchise QB talk unless its TB Blake or Johnny cause THATS real crazy talk unless someone knows something no other team staff thats in or out of the league does. 

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Season Tix, Section 409

2023 and still counting.....SB will finally be ours soon enough.
TLaw aka 'the prince that was promised' supporter.

I feel the same exact way as you but stacking talent is what should be said.  I'm hearing, let's get our franchise guy in the 2nd-4th so is it stacking talent or just QB in round 1 fear.  Like i said b4, if we dont pick a QB thats in the top 3 then we are getting a future backup at best unless the football gods give us a miracle.  So we agree, its just posters need 2 kill the franchise QB talk unless its TB Blake or Johnny cause THATS real crazy talk unless someone knows something no other team staff thats in or out of the league does. 

 

I'm pretty sure you're hearing voices in your head because I don't think I've seen anyone here say "let's get our franchise guy in the 2nd-4th".  Not that I've seen. 

 

The rest of what you posted....huh?

 

Many here look at the QBs in the draft, and they simply don't see a franchise QB.  They see guys who might be developed into that role, but there's not one in the draft that is a sure thing.  You're a proponent (if I'm interpreting your words) of drafting Bridgewater, Bortles, or Manziel at #3 just because we need to draft a QB, and they've been touted, by the media btw, as the best of the bunch.  You're willing to bypass better players in order to just go get a QB who may or may not prove to be a reach.  That's fine.  We'll know pretty quickly which philosophy is the best approach, and more importantly, which one is in the Jaguars wheel house. 

 

It's clear you have no bias in this discussion, and that you're keeping a completely open mind.  It's those closed minded folks who dare to suggest that we should get the best player on the board at 3, and if we want to look at QBs in the 2nd round as options for development on this team who are the problem here.  All that rational thought is just wasted energy.

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Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

I feel the same exact way as you but stacking talent is what should be said.  I'm hearing, let's get our franchise guy in the 2nd-4th so is it stacking talent or just QB in round 1 fear.  Like i said b4, if we dont pick a QB thats in the top 3 then we are getting a future backup at best
unless the football gods give us a miracle.  So we agree, its just posters need 2 kill the franchise QB talk unless its TB Blake or Johnny cause THATS real crazy talk unless someone knows something no other team staff thats in or out of the league does. 

 

My response to that statement is "so what?" If there are better players out there than those Quarterbacks at the #3 spot, then take them. I'm not saying "wait until later to draft a QB and then let's all sacrifice a goat to the Football gods and hope that he turns out." I'm saying take the Quarterback with where he fits within his draft class.

 

If his talent level matches where he is available, draft him. If not, then move on to someone else. The world isn't going to end if a Quarterback isn't selected in this draft, or even if a guy is drafted late and holds the clipboard for a season. Just stack as much "workable" talent as you can on the roster. Let the position competitions figure out everything else.

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I'm trying to make myself more informed and less opinionated.

Stop saying whatever stupid thing you're talking about and pay attention to all the interesting things I have to say!

This draft is one of the deepest but also most top heavy drafts in recent memory. There are 5-6 elite prospects that could go #1 in other years (like last year for instance).

 

I feel like that should dictate we absolutely nail the #3 pick with a star-type talent. If these QBs create any doubt as to their franchise/star potential they should be passed over for a non-QB prospect that has that potential. I think most will agree that doubt has been created.

 

In conjunction, the deep talent of the draft will play into our hands by allowing the team to get a QB at #39 that isn't seen as that far off from the QBs being considered at #3. I feel like this is the best combination to go with if they want a QB early. 

 

I personally would have no problem in just taking a developmental QB late this year and taking advantage of all the extremely strong positional talent in this draft. I might even prefer it.

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I'm baffled at this board and some of you people, though no pun intended lol.  Our franchise QB will be a guy not even at the top of this year's class?  Ya'll need to stop drinking the brady hope juice.  Name the jags best 2-7 round QB and our worst 1st round QB and tell me what round we should draft one since we've had so much success outside the 1st.  Don't tell me about any other team with a former or current 2-7 round great QB  because im not concerned with there once in a decade or more hits, WE ARE JAGUARS act like it and stop stroking every fantasy ego of other team s' memories and moments.  We'll never stand alone if we play copycat or little brother to every franchise who has success at one point in time or another.  I like JFF but i'll accept Bridgewater or Bortles before any 2-7 round QB.  If they were worth it, they should've showed it by now instead of us gambling on 2nd tier talent or late risers every year though not every round except under DC so far. Im using my PS3 browser so keep the grammar chatter in school not here.

Good call JGSFN1995...I was with you on this.. Most of the Board were hypnotized by the media and Mayock and the rest of the blabbering idiots ..


 I for one knew we were drafting a QB in the 1st all along!

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I suppose there are too many of you who falsely believe that it's franchise QB or bust for the Jaguars in 2014.

 

Sorry, but we're not likely to land our franchise QB this year.  Not unless we choose wisely and have patience while he develops.  Still, chances are that isn't happening.

 

You simply can't manufacture a franchise QB out of a crop of questionable candidates.

You were saying?  

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I'm pretty sure you're hearing voices in your head because I don't think I've seen anyone here say "let's get our franchise guy in the 2nd-4th".  Not that I've seen. 

 

The rest of what you posted....huh?

 

Many here look at the QBs in the draft, and they simply don't see a franchise QB.  They see guys who might be developed into that role, but there's not one in the draft that is a sure thing.  You're a proponent (if I'm interpreting your words) of drafting Bridgewater, Bortles, or Manziel at #3 just because we need to draft a QB, and they've been touted, by the media btw, as the best of the bunch.  You're willing to bypass better players in order to just go get a QB who may or may not prove to be a reach.  That's fine.  We'll know pretty quickly which philosophy is the best approach, and more importantly, which one is in the Jaguars wheel house. 

 

It's clear you have no bias in this discussion, and that you're keeping a completely open mind.  It's those closed minded folks who dare to suggest that we should get the best player on the board at 3, and if we want to look at QBs in the 2nd round as options for development on this team who are the problem here.  All that rational thought is just wasted energy.

This is why many here are not NFL GM's.... Caldwell had hsi poker face on.. He was going to draft Bortles all along. I love it.   I knew we were going QB.

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This is why many here are not NFL GM's.... Caldwell had hsi poker face on.. He was going to draft Bortles all along. I love it.   I knew we were going QB.

Hopefully he got it right with this pick. We'll see.

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Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

You were saying?

I'm sure most who didn't see a franchise QB in this draft will be happy if they're wrong, but let's pump the brakes a bit and see what we've got on the field first.

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Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

No brakes! D@%$ the doubters, full speed ahead!

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You were saying?  

 

Did you read it?

 

"Sorry, but we're not likely to land our franchise QB this year."

 

I didn't think the chances were good that we'd find "our guy."  It was my untrained and unprofessional opinion that there weren't any top 10 selections at the QB position and therefore we'd have someone higher on our board at the time.  Turned out there was one and only one QB candidate head and shoulders above the others, we liked him more than anyone else in the draft, and we took him at #3.

 

Hopefully we have found "our guy."

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"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."