I think the defense is better than last year and probably good enough to play .500 or better ball with more competence on offense and special teams, but there's no way I'd call this the 4th best defense in the league with the lack of pressures and turnovers.  Our sack numbers aren't horrible but they could be better as well.  It just seems that more often than not the opposing QB has a clean pocket and isn't hurried.  And being last in takeaways with only 8 is a real problem.

 

There's been a big decrease in opponents' 3rd down conversion percentage for us this season from last as we were near the bottom of the league last year and this year we're ranked 15th.  Over the last 3 games specifically, we're tied for 1st with the Giants in preventing 3rd down conversions.  With all the new pieces on defense, getting better as the season moved along is how I expected things to go for them this year.  Like most, I just didn't expect the offense and special teams to fall off a cliff.

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A top 5 defense doesn't give up 25 points to the Vikings.

Did the defense even touch Bradford on Sunday? I mean besides the time he was stripped then was able to casually pick up the ball, eat a turkey sandwich, and complete a 15 yard pass?

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Did the defense even touch Bradford on Sunday? I mean besides the time he was stripped then was able to casually pick up the ball, eat a turkey sandwich, and complete a 15 yard pass?

He looked like Johnny Football against us. Almost as bad as Philip Rivers 4th and 7 conversion last year.

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He looked like Johnny Football against us. Almost as bad as Philip Rivers 4th and 7 conversion last year.

That play still gets me.


The D needs work but i honsetly believe its coaching too.


Ive never seen a D where the CBs appear to be taught NOT to jump routes its crazy. We see it weekly around the league but no one in our secondary seems capable/willing/coached to jump plays.

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That play still gets me.


The D needs work but i honsetly believe its coaching too.


Ive never seen a D where the CBs appear to be taught NOT to jump routes its crazy. We see it weekly around the league but no one in our secondary seems capable/willing/coached to jump plays.

At this point its 100% coaching. Yeah I believe the players are coached to stick to assignments instead of taking risks.

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I don't care about the 4 ranking. give me a defense ranked 15th that cause turnovers and I'd take that over a number 1 ranked defense which causes no turnovers

 

If we had more takeaways don't you think our ranking would be higher than #4?

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I see your point - but I believe this defense (despite statistics) is still one big step away from being a powerhouse.

That step is the stupid mistakes that they have continued to make in most of their games this season. A better staff will cut those mistakes by half in a hurry. 

 

Dumb penalties and busted coverages have extended too many drives and resulted in points for the other team way too often this season -  and eliminating even half of those mistakes would make a big difference for this defense. 

 

Many posters including the best one have blamed all penalties on the coaching staff. If there is any truth to this, whoever works on the sideline next year will  fix that problem. However, I don't believe the HC should be blamed for every foul.

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If we had a remotely average offense we would be a 6-7 win  team right now in the hunt for the AFCS title. Our QB needs to be cut/traded or at least bring in serious competition. Need a G and T on the line, add a good RB, keep Ivory and dump Yeldon. New HC and we are a 9 win team easy. 

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Your not getting it.... really ..  Only the LA Rams job is promising.  You get to move into a new stadium in 2019 after playing the next 2 years in the LA Toilet.  The fan base is fair weather and you have a good young running back.

 

Oh wait but that is what the media told me.

well there is the ego thing that makes this job alluring to HC candidates...How would a HC's resume look if  he were "the one who" brought a team with a losing record for years back to being relevant again?  Just doing that would cement any HC's status as a GREAT coach...That means MONEY! 

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At this point its 100% coaching. Yeah I believe the players are coached to stick to assignments instead of taking risks.

Yeah its not a read and react defense, it's a "this is your assignment" type of defense

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Yeah its not a read and react defense, it's a "this is your assignment" type of defense

Probably because of the lack of pass rush too. You see Atlanata and Seattle get turnovers because they have the pass rush to force the defense into mistakes.

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The stats may be a bit misleading but we should get a top hc candidate hopefully not McDaniels he'll trade Arob hurns an bortles start henne n build around jt lol but I'm hoping for gruden or Cowher hopefully they see this team as perfect for comming out of retirement

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well there is the ego thing that makes this job alluring to HC candidates...How would a HC's resume look if  he were "the one who" brought a team with a losing record for years back to being relevant again?  Just doing that would cement any HC's status as a GREAT coach...That means MONEY!

And something tells me it's going to be an easy job. There's talent on the team, and both offensive and defensive units have seen success (if only they'd both come in the same year...) - maybe new coaching will be all it takes (though I don't buy into the lazy explanation that 'it's all the coaching, and if you change Gus everything magically works'). Add to that the fact that the officiating this year has been wildly one-sided, costing us three or four games so far - which should regress to the mean next season - you've got a recipe for immediate improvement whoever comes in next year. There are a few obvious things that need to be changed, but even more of the same should produce better results next year, and anything that's done to improve matters should produce much better results.

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We can talk all we want about how this defense isn't really the 4th best defense in the NFL, and that is a valid point, but the fact remains, it is the 4th ranked defense statistically.   We are giving up the 4th fewest yards per game, and the 5th fewest yards per play.   That is a fact.  

 

Yes, we have deficiencies.   We don't get pressure on the passer, hence we don't get turnovers.  But it is still notable that at 2-11, with an offense that cannot control the ball, and with an anemic pass rush, we are still have the 4th ranked defense (statistically) in the NFL.  Something good is happening.  

 

It's something that makes the head coaching job here very attractive.  If I were a prospective head coach, I would say the Jags have a lot of pieces of the puzzle in place.  This is not a massive rebuilding job.  

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Has anybody seen something in gus' defense scheme to warrant calling him a "defensive guru"? 

we also top the league in first downs made.....http://www.nfl.com/teams/statistics?team=JAX

 

here's the statistic that matters 2-11.

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Because Jaguars is our mantra 

And I thought I disliked the cover 2 schemes back in the day....  I don't think we have ever had the talent for this plan.  I do agree with the mantra of assignment football as well.

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And I thought I disliked the cover 2 schemes back in the day....  I don't think we have ever had the talent for this plan.  I do agree with the mantra of assignment football as well.

 

How could you not like cover 2 schemes?

 

Over and over and over players get to the ball late. All I could think when an opponent got a first down was we need to stop playing zone defense. But the bold statement makes me wonder if the schematic error is not having assignments.

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Our Run Defense is amazing.

 

I'm with the other posters that believe that coaching matters.  I think Wash has been the best DC we've had under the Bradly Adventure.  But he's still just running the same 3 deep zone we always run, with the exception of throwing in a few more blitzes here and there.

 

I think the development on the D side would sky rocket exponentially with an experienced and talented DC.  Seriously, my mouth waters thinking of Rex Ryan coming here for a few years as DC before his next HC gig.  I don't think Rex get's another opportunity for a while.  Him coming here with the talent we have would be a perfect fit.  

 

I can see why this defense would be a great selling point to any coach.  At each level we have either elite or near elite talent.  Ramsey in the Secondary, Telvin in the LB'er corps, and I think you can put Yannick or Jackson in the near elite category on the D-Line (I may be stretching here, but I think both will have break out years next year with real coaching).

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Imagine if we had an agressive and fun loving defensive coordinator that challenged these guys?  Remeber what Dom Capers did with Tom Coughlin?  Whoever is bought in is going to have to smack these guys but make their job fun again (i.e. play fast and loose).

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Our Run Defense is amazing.

 

I'm with the other posters that believe that coaching matters.  I think Wash has been the best DC we've had under the Bradly Adventure.  But he's still just running the same 3 deep zone we always run, with the exception of throwing in a few more blitzes here and there.

 

I think the development on the D side would sky rocket exponentially with an experienced and talented DC.  Seriously, my mouth waters thinking of Rex Ryan coming here for a few years as DC before his next HC gig.  I don't think Rex get's another opportunity for a while.  Him coming here with the talent we have would be a perfect fit.  

 

I can see why this defense would be a great selling point to any coach.  At each level we have either elite or near elite talent.  Ramsey in the Secondary, Telvin in the LB'er corps, and I think you can put Yannick or Jackson in the near elite category on the D-Line (I may be stretching here, but I think both will have break out years next year with real coaching).

I believe coaching matters, and it matters a great deal...I also believe that player execution counts even more...The coaches can show and tell people a bazillion times where you are supposed to be, how far up field you run straight before you cut to gain separation, which person you are supposed to block, which receiver is the hot receiver, et.al and if they still don't do it right, that is on the players...at some point in time players not executing the plan are the ones who should be called out...How many times does a coach have to show players how to do what they are supposed to do before it becomes the players fault for not following instructions from the coach?  

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