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Is taking a tackle in the top 5 smart?
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The Patriots have had basically 2 left tackles during the Brady years, Nate Solder and before him, Matt Light. Neither is a "great" player, both are solid but they are not household names.
The constant for them has been left guard Logan Mankins, a "who?" #1 pick back in '05 out of Fresno St. Mankins is a mean, tough dude who rarely misses any time and has been to 5-6 Pro Bowls. I think it's synergistic- Mankins made both those guys better and they him. That's the "all-important" left side of their OL, the right side and center have been a revolving door for years. Vollmer is pretty good at RT but has an injury history...the real stability comes from the left side.
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Quote:When you don't have a good LT it's imperative that you get one. That may be true, but the question is: Do you need to draft one in the top 5? Super Bowl Champion LT's Ravens - Bryant McKinnie 2003/Round 1/ Pick 7-8 XVI: Giants - David Diehl -- XLV: Packers - Chad Clifton, 2000/Round 2/Pick 44 <span style="color:#000000;font-size:15px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;background-color:transparent;">XLIV: Saints -- Jermon Bushrod, 2007/Round 4/Pick 125 XLIII: Steelers -- Max Starks, 2004/Round 3/Pick 75 XLII: Giants - David Diehl, 2003/Round 5/Pick 160 XLI: Colts -- Tarik Glenn, 1997/Round 1/Pick 19 XL: Steelers - Marvel Smith, 2000/Round 2/Pick 38 XXXIX: Patriots- Matt Light -- XXXVIII: Patriots - Matt Light, 2002/Round 2/Pick 48 XXXVI: Bucs - Roman Oben, 1996/Round 3/Pick 66</span>
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Quote:That may be true, but the question is: Do you need to draft one in the top 5? No, but we already have so it's moot. “An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato
Quote:No, but we already have so it's moot. Everything is moot, it's the offseason and there's not much to talk about. I'm not mad we drafted Luke. I think the top of last years draft (at least so far) is looking kind of weak. Hopefully Luke becomes a really good player. It will help. Not as much to warrant the #2 pick, but he will definitely help.
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I said it wasn't smart last year and look where it got me. I don't think it really matters. Just get the QB.
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We picked joeckel because no one wanted to trade and he was the best player available
If we pick Matthews with the third we are idiots especially as pasztor and Bradfield have both had good seasons and provide depth at the position Pastzor is a good pass blocker and an average run blocker...a preseason at the position as the starter will help clean up his footwork and get him more comfortable and if he can increase his weight a little and keep conditioned he will have a bigger impact in the run game there is not a single guard or center I would take in the first round and if we don't believe in the qbs and des in this draft we will certainly have trade value and if we can trade back to around 8 there is so much talent someone will fall to us Mack watkins Barr have all fallen to 8 in peoples mock drafts and all are good value at that pick Matthews would be frankly ridiculous
Quote:Matthews would be frankly ridiculous I think there's absolutely 0% chance of us getting another tackle that high for a long time.
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Quote:That may be true, but the question is: Do you need to draft one in the top 5? If that's where the value is, yeah. Only 3 of the last 13 Superbowl winning QBs were picked in the top 5 too. Quote:Just to be different, Bortles.
A highly drafted OT is only as valuable as the guys he's blocking for.
As for us, I think you have to look at the other guys we could have had at #2. Considering the top offensive skill players (based on draft order) were Tavon Austin and EJ Manuel, we had no choice but to take Joeckel because that was the only guy with the value that matched.
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Quote:QB's still in the playoffs: Thats a great post. The best 8 QB are still alive. Look at this past weekend. In all 4 games, the team with the perceived better QB won. - Not even necessarily the QB that played better (or put up better numbers) in each game. But it just goes to show you theres something to it.
Quote:Thats a great post. The best 8 QB are still alive. I would argue Rodgers is a better QB than Kaepernick, but I get your point. It's no secret, everyone knows you need that QB if you want to consistently be among the best NFL teams.
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Quote:I would argue Rodgers is a better QB than Kaepernick, but I get your point. Yes, that one could be argued, although I did hear a stat the other day about Rodgers being something like 5-13 in games decided by a TD or less. Thats not too good....
If you swapped Aaron Rodgers with Kaep, that game would have been an absolute blowout imo, and also San Fran would be the heavy favorites to win the Superbowl.
Imagine Rodgers with Boldin, Vernon Davis, Frank Gore, Crabtree, their O-line, plus that Defense. Would be deadly.
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Quote:If you swapped Aaron Rodgers with Kaep, that game would have been an absolute blowout imo, and also San Fran would be the heavy favorites to win the Superbowl. Its not as if Rodgers is stuck with chopped liver on his own offense. Jordy Nelson, Randall Cobb, Eddie Lacy.... IMO, the difference in that game wasn't passing weapons, but San Fran simply has a MUCH better defense than does Green Bay. Both QB are high level.
Has to be a defensive stud or a qb anyway you look at it.
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Tackles drafted in the top 10
2011: Tyron Smith, Cowboys 2010: Russell Okung, Seahawks 2009: Jason Smith, Rams; Andre Smith, Bengals; Eugene Monroe, Jaguars 2008: Jake Long, Dolphins 2007: Joe Thomas, Browns; Levi Brown, Cardinals <span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;background-color:transparent;">2006: D’Brickashaw Ferguson, Jets <span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;background-color:transparent;">2005: None 2004: Robert Gallery, Raiders 2003: None 2002: Mike Williams, Bills; Bryant McKinnie, Vikings</span></span> I don't see a single franchise changing player on this list. My hope is that our path is similar to the Seahawks.. Get the LT and then get the franchise QB. Without the franchise QB, the LT is completely pointless.
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Quote:Tackles drafted in the top 10 WHile I agree....and theres no way I'd take a Tackle at 3 this season, even if the Jags needed one, taking Joeckel last year at 2 was probably the only option Caldwell had. He was pretty much the consensus BAP at that moment in a weak draft - or at least weak top 5. We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today!
Quote:If people are worried about us getting jake Matthews then... dont I'm not. The Rams aren't taking him at 2, either. Quote:Has to be a defensive stud or a qb anyway you look at it.I agree... It's way too early to tell who should be drafted but right now, it should be Clowney, Manziel or Teddy IMO. |
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