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smh.....just wow.....society....

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So now we finally know what TMD looks like.

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So now we finally know what TMD looks like.

Pfffftt.....we wish.


Oh, you mean the guy with the stick. Disregard.

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When you break the law as they did, you give up your so called "Rights"

 

Word. 

 

They had a Gun for crying out loud, how much more threatening do you need to be?

 

Word.

 

 

I must admit, I lol'ed....

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It boggles my mind that there are people that actually take the mother's side on this. Not only that, but there's multiple people at that. I just don't get it. Only possible thing I can think of is this country is being overtaken by people I can't mention on this board.

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It boggles my mind that there are people that actually take the mother's side on this. Not only that, but there's multiple people at that. I just don't get it. Only possible thing I can think of is this country is being overtaken by people I can't mention on this board.

 

It shouldnt.....state of the world today....

 

sympathize with the criminals (or those related to them) 

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It shouldnt.....state of the world today....

 

sympathize with the criminals (or those related to them)

I didn't say I was surprised.

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My understanding of how it went down.

 

Two guys rob a store at gunpoint.

 

They leave the store.

 

Just outside the store an armed man confronts them with a gun.

 

(little unsure here of the facts)

 

The robbers then pull their own guns back out?

 

Man shoots them both to death.

 

Before the robbers pulled their own weapons "back out", the man confronting them was wrong (imo) to attempt to hold the suspects at gun point, as it doesn't appear that life, or limb was in apparent or imminent danger at that time.

 

Once the robbers "did" pull their weapons out, the citizen was justified to protect his own life.

 

My final analysis ... The citizen should be charged with a crime, but not with anything to do with the shooting death.

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MY DONKEY!!!!!!

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It shouldnt.....state of the world today....

 

sympathize with the criminals (or those related to them) 

 

I do sympathize with "those related to them", in this case their Mothers (and others).

 

No matter what you do TMD, no matter how bad you arer, your Mom will always love you, and she will feel extreme pain upon your death ... even if it is warranted. You can't just turn off those emotions.

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I do sympathize with "those related to them", in this case their Mothers (and others).

 

No matter what you do TMD, no matter how bad you arer, your Mom will always love you, and she will feel extreme pain upon your death ... even if it is warranted. You can't just turn off those emotions.

 

Sammy, I don't blame the mom for mourning her loss....what I blame is claiming that it wasn't fair and that kinda stuff. The dude was a criminal. Sorry, but at that point, you lose all the "its not fair" stuff. 

 


 

 

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I understand the mother's grief, but I'm not mourning the deaths of the punks.  More than likely the life of an innocent victim was saved down the road as these little vermin became more emboldened.  

Some people argue the legality of the killings and I agree it is worthy of debate.  However, I also see it as a definite and profound moral victory for the dignity of decent, hard working, law abiding citizens.  

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A friend of mine owns several convenience stores around the Jacksonville area.  Some are branded stores (Gate, Shell), while a few of them are not.  He inherited the non-branded stores from his father, and most of them are in areas of Jacksonville that most people would be afraid to go into, especially after dark.  He grew up working in his father's stores, so he got to know the people in the neighborhoods pretty well.  His dad was a guy who was always willing to lend a hand to people who faced hard times, and as a result, there was a lot of respect for him in the community, and the stores he owned were rarely targeted for robbery.

 

After my friend's dad died and he assumed ownership of these stores, he told me how the dynamic in the area, which was already pretty bad, had gotten significantly worse.  It got to the point where he was considering selling off those stores and focusing on the stores he had purchased himself. 

 

One day when he was doing some paperwork in the back of one of his stores, a kid came in and pointed a gun at his clerk and demanded all the money in the register.  My friend saw what was happening on the CCTV in his office.  He's a concealed carry guy.  He pulled his gun and came out of the office to see his clerk being pistol whipped by the robber.  My friend pointed the gun and let the guy know he was not afraid to shoot if he didn't drop the gun and stay where he was.  The guy turned on him and started to point the gun in his direction.  My friend delivered 3 shots before the kid could level the gun and take his shot.  The guy turned and ran out of the store, being hit twice in the chest and once in the arm.  He died in front of the store. 

 

When the police arrived, they determined the gun the robber was using was actually a pellet gun that resembled a revolver.  From where my friend was, there was no way to know for sure this was the case, and it was deemed to be a clean shoot.  A few days later, family members of the kid (turned out to be 15 years old and a kid from the neighborhood) started harassing my friend and making threats of retribution.  It didn't matter that their little darling had pulled a gun, or that he'd beaten someone with it.  All that mattered was he was shot and killed, and he wasn't a bad child. 

 

The harassment got to the point where my friend, who was actually really messed up because he had to take someone's life, finally had to just put the store up for sale.  He eventually found a buyer and moved on.  Sadly, what he did was fully justifiable, but that made no difference to the family of the kid he shot.  It haunts him to this day.  But, he still carries.  The one positive that came from the shooting is that word did spread in the neighborhoods where his other stores reside.  Robbery attempts at his stores dropped to almost zero. Every once in a while he'll get someone in the store who is clearly high on something trying to get cash, and he has instructed his clerks to just give them what's in the register.  It's not worth a life.  That was the mistake his clerk made.  He wouldn't open the register, and took a beating as a result.  Had he simply opened the register and given the kid the money, a lot of lives would have been very different. 

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Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

Switzerland - 59% of all citizens are armed and carry a weapon.

 

The crime rate is lower than most countries in the world.

 

Coincidence? I think not.

 

Crime tends to go down dramatically when people fear dying while committing those crimes.

 

Furthermore, it is criminal to rob and commit other violent crimes. It is not criminal to defend one's self from being a victim of violent crimes.

 

If some guy runs out of a store after robbing it and is armed, I would take him out and wouldn't think twice. I don't care what any of you think. I don't need to stop and think about whether the guy wants witnesses left around or not. It's not my problem. The guy is commiting a violent crime, and I don't need to give a single moment's thought to whether he wants to commit another upon me. I'll defend my right to life. I wasn't the one commiting the crime.

 

Same with the guy who shot those kids. He was not only legally, but morally justified.

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What lies behind us, and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us.







 

Even your right to bear arms? Because last I checked people who think like you were vehemently opposed to background checks for firearms.


I've mention this before; right are inalienable. A person's actions, no matter how horrendous, can not result in them losing their rights.

"People who think like you?"



Mind reader?

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What in the Wide Wide World of Sports is agoin' on here???

A friend of mine owns several convenience stores around the Jacksonville area.  Some are branded stores (Gate, Shell), while a few of them are not.  He inherited the non-branded stores from his father, and most of them are in areas of Jacksonville that most people would be afraid to go into, especially after dark.  He grew up working in his father's stores, so he got to know the people in the neighborhoods pretty well.  His dad was a guy who was always willing to lend a hand to people who faced hard times, and as a result, there was a lot of respect for him in the community, and the stores he owned were rarely targeted for robbery.

 

After my friend's dad died and he assumed ownership of these stores, he told me how the dynamic in the area, which was already pretty bad, had gotten significantly worse.  It got to the point where he was considering selling off those stores and focusing on the stores he had purchased himself. 

 

One day when he was doing some paperwork in the back of one of his stores, a kid came in and pointed a gun at his clerk and demanded all the money in the register.  My friend saw what was happening on the CCTV in his office.  He's a concealed carry guy.  He pulled his gun and came out of the office to see his clerk being pistol whipped by the robber.  My friend pointed the gun and let the guy know he was not afraid to shoot if he didn't drop the gun and stay where he was.  The guy turned on him and started to point the gun in his direction.  My friend delivered 3 shots before the kid could level the gun and take his shot.  The guy turned and ran out of the store, being hit twice in the chest and once in the arm.  He died in front of the store. 

 

When the police arrived, they determined the gun the robber was using was actually a pellet gun that resembled a revolver.  From where my friend was, there was no way to know for sure this was the case, and it was deemed to be a clean shoot.  A few days later, family members of the kid (turned out to be 15 years old and a kid from the neighborhood) started harassing my friend and making threats of retribution.  It didn't matter that their little darling had pulled a gun, or that he'd beaten someone with it.  All that mattered was he was shot and killed, and he wasn't a bad child. 

 

The harassment got to the point where my friend, who was actually really messed up because he had to take someone's life, finally had to just put the store up for sale.  He eventually found a buyer and moved on.  Sadly, what he did was fully justifiable, but that made no difference to the family of the kid he shot.  It haunts him to this day.  But, he still carries.  The one positive that came from the shooting is that word did spread in the neighborhoods where his other stores reside.  Robbery attempts at his stores dropped to almost zero. Every once in a while he'll get someone in the store who is clearly high on something trying to get cash, and he has instructed his clerks to just give them what's in the register.  It's not worth a life.  That was the mistake his clerk made.  He wouldn't open the register, and took a beating as a result.  Had he simply opened the register and given the kid the money, a lot of lives would have been very different. 

 

Yes, had he given the kid that cash, as you stated, the other stores would still be getting robbed frequently, and whose to say none of those wouldn't have ended up in someone or multiple people getting shot. Its terrible that a kid had to lose his life, but lets be real here, it never would have happened had he not been robbing the store/ pistol whipping the clerk in the first place. 

 

See Dakota's response below.... 

 

Switzerland - 59% of all citizens are armed and carry a weapon.

 

The crime rate is lower than most countries in the world.

 

Coincidence? I think not.

 

Crime tends to go down dramatically when people fear dying while committing those crimes.

 

Furthermore, it is criminal to rob and commit other violent crimes. It is not criminal to defend one's self from being a victim of violent crimes.

 

If some guy runs out of a store after robbing it and is armed, I would take him out and wouldn't think twice. I don't care what any of you think. I don't need to stop and think about whether the guy wants witnesses left around or not. It's not my problem. The guy is commiting a violent crime, and I don't need to give a single moment's thought to whether he wants to commit another upon me. I'll defend my right to life. I wasn't the one commiting the crime.

 

Same with the guy who shot those kids. He was not only legally, but morally justified.

 

there ya go. I agree. 

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If some guy runs out of a store after robbing it and is armed, I would take him out and wouldn't think twice. I don't care what any of you think.

 

 

I have a feeling in the end, you would be quite tortured about taking another persons life.

 

You're going to end up killing some person with a mask on that is carrying a pellet gun trying to get money to pay for their babies surgery. Then when the mask is removed ... you see the face of one of your children.
 
 
 
 
 
It could happen ... Nice shot! you must practice.
 
 
 
 
Kidding aside, I do hope you wouldn't feel proud to have to be the one that did it, even if it is justified.

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I have a feeling in the end, you would be quite tortured about taking another persons life.

 

<div>You're going to end up killing some person with a mask on that is carrying a pellet gun trying to get money to pay for their babies surgery. Then when the mask is removed ... you see the face of one of your children.
 
 
 
 
 
It could happen ... Nice shot! you must practice.
 
 
 
 
Kidding aside, I do hope you wouldn't feel proud to have to be the one that did it, even if it is justified.
 

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I wouldn't feel "proud" at all.....I would be disgusted at having to do it in the first place.....I'd feel absolutely horrible for the person who was killed, but also justified at doing what I had to do. I just hope I am never in that situation where I have to decide in that split second what to do...because I pretty much know what I would do. 

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Yes, had he given the kid that cash, as you stated, the other stores would still be getting robbed frequently, and whose to say none of those wouldn't have ended up in someone or multiple people getting shot. Its terrible that a kid had to lose his life, but lets be real here, it never would have happened had he not been robbing the store/ pistol whipping the clerk in the first place. 

 

See Dakota's response below.... 

 

 

there ya go. I agree. 

 

 

Don't know why we just don't line them up against a wall, gun'em down, and be done with it.

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You pull a gun on someone to rob them you are opening yourself up to getting shot.

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What in the Wide Wide World of Sports is agoin' on here???

You pull a gun on someone to rob them you are opening yourself up to getting shot.

 

I agree 100%

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