I can't believe you guys are talking about first round wide receivers after posting a zillion times about needing to start the draft with a quarterback.

 

If we miss out on Teddy Bridgewater in the three-headed race for #1, it would be better to pick the second-best quarterback than trade one of our players. I only want the Jaguars to trade down if they get a Julio Jones or Robert Griffin deal.

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I'm fine with what we have. 

 

I don't think Evans is a #1. 

 

Blackmon is a #1. AJ Green is a #1, Julio Jones is a #1, Dez is a #1....

 

Evans is a solid complimentary piece and great red zone weapon, but I don't see him as an effective WR1 in the pro's. He'll need a good WR on the opposite side. He's otherwise going to struggle to gain separation at the next level. He's not sudden or overly quick. Long strider, too. 

Why don't you think Evans wont be a #1???

 

Dude is young and is already 6'5" and 225lbs. Also he is starting to understand how to use his body and just make plays all over the field. You say he isn't quick but he is averaging over 22 yards per reception right now. He beasted Alabama's defense with 7 receptions for over 270 and he has already out done the production of his freshman season (he alraedy has over 1000 yards receiving and 11 TDs)......

 

So please explain your opinion, because I don't understand where you are coming from at this point.

 

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I didn't think he was draft eligible, but now that I know he is he would be my #2 pick if Teddy Bridgewater wasn't available. I think he will be the type of receiver that can make almost any QB productive. He is another Megatron type IMO.

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Why don't you think Evans wont be a #1???

 

Dude is young and is already 6'5" and 225lbs. Also he is starting to understand how to use his body and just make plays all over the field. You say he isn't quick but he is averaging over 22 yards per reception right now. He beasted Alabama's defense with 7 receptions for over 270 and he has already out done the production of his freshman season (he alraedy has over 1000 yards receiving and 11 TDs)......

 

So please explain your opinion, because I don't understand where you are coming from at this point.

 

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I didn't think he was draft eligible, but now that I know he is he would be my #2 pick if Teddy Bridgewater wasn't available. I think he will be the type of receiver that can make almost any QB productive. He is another Megatron type IMO.

 

You sir, Are smoking something. Just because you are averaging "22 yards per catch" doesn't mean you are fast. It means you are making good catches.Not only that, The level of competition in college is VASLY different than the NFL. He could blow by any kid thatll be on the street come draft day but he sure as heck will never blow by a legit NFL corner who will shut him down if he tries to outrun.

 

That's why the draft has busts because they can't translate to the NFL physically. As long as whoever drafts evans makes sure his routes are filled with cuts and changes of direction, He'll be just fine.

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You sir, Are smoking something. Just because you are averaging "22 yards per catch" doesn't mean you are fast. It means you are making good catches.Not only that, The level of competition in college is VASLY different than the NFL. He could blow by any kid thatll be on the street come draft day but he sure as heck will never blow by a legit NFL corner who will shut him down if he tries to outrun.

 

That's why the draft has busts because they can't translate to the NFL physically. As long as whoever drafts evans makes sure his routes are filled with cuts and changes of direction, He'll be just fine.

......Your reading comprehension is amazing SIR.....

 

I especially love the part when you say "doesn't mean you are fast" ....when I never said he was, I was making an arguement that people were saying he wasn't QUICK (i.e. abilility to change direction and reaction time).........but like I said amazing comprehension.

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There is a big difference between the designation "Best receiver on a team" and the "#1 reciever on the team". The #1 receiver is a downfield WR or the "Z receiver".


Z receiver's require speed and include Calvin Johnson, Dez Bryant, AJ Green, Randy Moss, Terrell Owens, Branden MArshell, Julio Jones, Andre Johnson, Vincent Jackson, etc. Notice anything about these guys? They were all drafted VERY high in their respective drafts. And for a reason.


X receiver's are outside runners that have decent speed and cutting ability. Y receivers are your typical slots such as Welker.

Later on you say Blackmon is an x receiver implying because he lacks speed..you do realise Blackmon is just as fast as v jax and faster then Marshall and Bryant right?


Or are you just making something up and throwing around wr names to make it sound real and hoping no one questions your obvious lack of facts/knowledge?

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Yikes, I like Blackmon a lot and all but he isn't ever going to be in the elite Megatron/Dez/Green/Julio tier. He can be a very good Z/slot receiver, but we still need our X field stretcher...Shorts isn't that either. In a perfect world Shorts is our Z, Blackmon is the slot, and we draft a mid round TY Hilton type blur field stretcher next year. 

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Yikes, I like Blackmon a lot and all but he isn't ever going to be in the elite Megatron/Dez/Green/Julio tier. He can be a very good Z/slot receiver, but we still need our X field stretcher...Shorts isn't that either. In a perfect world Shorts is our Z, Blackmon is the slot, and we draft a mid round TY Hilton type blur field stretcher next year. 

 

Shorts isnt there yet but he can be IMO. Remember it usually takes WRs 3 years starting to really break out. I wouldnt draft a WR prior to round 4 for the next 2 years at least. Way bigger needs on the team. But yeah take some late round fliers on guys with speed and hope they can develop.

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Really hope Melvin Gordon makes it out of the 1st, him and Teddy would make our offense so fun to watch. Wouldnt mind Ebron either but he probably goes mid 1st.

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Really hope Melvin Gordon makes it out of the 1st, him and Teddy would make our offense so fun to watch. Wouldnt mind Ebron either but he probably goes mid 1st.

I would rather Seastrunk or Sankey over Gordon hopefully one of those guys makes it to the 2nd.

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I would rather Seastrunk or Sankey over Gordon hopefully one of those guys makes it to the 2nd.

C'mon now. I love Lache but Gordon is a lot better...and Sankey is getting way overhyped. He's fine but he's not even a top 5 RB prospect in this class to me.

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Later on you say Blackmon is an x receiver implying because he lacks speed..you do realise Blackmon is just as fast as v jax and faster then Marshall and Bryant right?


Or are you just making something up and throwing around wr names to make it sound real and hoping no one questions your obvious lack of facts/knowledge?

 

LOL. As fast as V Jax and marshall? Are you kidding me? Get your eyes checked. I know quite well what im talking about. Instead of insult my football knowledge, Show me some links around the web disproving what I said. Ignorant people shouldn't call people lairs without first knowing the subject themselves.

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C'mon now. I love Lache but Gordon is a lot better...and Sankey is getting way overhyped. He's fine but he's not even a top 5 RB prospect in this class to me.

lol, Gordon a lot better?  I don't really see how you say Sankey is getting way overhyped I haven't heard that many people talk about him, you think he isn't even a top 5 RB in the county ha.  Gordon will just fall on top of this list in a few years.  He is a little faster than most of these guys but it is mostly a product of the system like Ala.

 

Montee Ball (2012) 1,830

Montee Ball (2011) 1,923

James White (2010) 1,052      also this year.. John Clay had 1,012 and Montee Ball had 996. That is insane.

John Clay (2009) 1,517

John Clay (2008) 1,116

P.J, Hill (2007) 1,212 

P.J. Hill (2006) 1,569

Brian Calhoun (2005) 1,636

Anthony Davis (2004) 973

Dwayne Smith (2003) 857

Anthony Davis (2002) 1,555

Anthony Davis (2001) 1,466

Michael Bennett (2000) 1,598

Ron Dayne (1999) 2,034

Ron Dayne (1998) 1,525

Ron Dayne (1997) 1,457

Ron Dayne (1996) 2,109

Carl McCllough (1995) 1,038

Terrell Fletcher (1994) 1,476

Brent Moss (1993) 1,637

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Who you got?

Bridgewater > Clowney > Barr > Matthews

QB > LEO > OL

Any other players or positions are unacceptable (unless Mariota shows his skill at Stanford & bowl game)

 

i totally agree with this unless we see something big before the draft

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LOL. As fast as V Jax and marshall? Are you kidding me? Get your eyes checked. I know quite well what im talking about. Instead of insult my football knowledge, Show me some links around the web disproving what I said. Ignorant people shouldn't call people lairs without first knowing the subject themselves.

Blackmon <a class="bbc_url" href='http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justin_Blackmon'>http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justin_Blackmon</a>


Marshall
<a class="bbc_url" href='http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandon_Marshall'>http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandon_Marshall</a>


Jackson
<a class="bbc_url" href='http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vincent_Jackson'>http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vincent_Jackson</a>


Check professional career has times for you.

If your a link snob and Wikipedia isn't good enough for you I can find more links it's just I'm on my way home from work and that was the best site for convenience.


I didn't even bother looking for dezs because he's obviously so not faster I felt I needn't dignify it with my time nor a response.

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lol, Gordon a lot better?  I don't really see how you say Sankey is getting way overhyped I haven't heard that many people talk about him, you think he isn't even a top 5 RB in the county ha.  Gordon will just fall on top of this list in a few years.  He is a little faster than most of these guys but it is mostly a product of the system like Ala.

Because I know that past performances of prospects means absolutely jack when it comes to evaluations. Gordon is nothing like any of those other guys too. I was lower on Ball than anyone, because it was painfully obvious he had no explosiveness and had a huge workload. I also see that Melvin Gordon is Jamaal Charles meets DeMarco Murray as a prospect. He blows away every RB last year and is just a tick below the stud 2015 megastud top tier RBs.

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Because I know that past performances of prospects means absolutely jack when it comes to evaluations. Gordon is nothing like any of those other guys too. I was lower on Ball than anyone, because it was painfully obvious he had no explosiveness and had a huge workload. I also see that Melvin Gordon is Jamaal Charles meets DeMarco Murray as a prospect. He blows away every RB last year and is just a tick below the stud 2015 megastud top tier RBs.

Its funny you say this because are'nt you one of the same people that bring up that the spread option QB's don't translate good to the NFL and that it is the system?  Same thing with Ala. and Wis. RB's that bennefit from their dominant olines and running schemes.  Melvin Gordon is no where near as fast as Charles!  Gordon will probably be a decent RB but to act like he is on some whole different level than all the other RB's lol.  I would like to see how he could do on that Washington team.

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Its funny you say this because are'nt you one of the same people that bring up that the spread option QB's don't translate good to the NFL and that it is the system?  Same thing with Ala. and Wis. RB's that bennefit from their dominant olines and running schemes.  Melvin Gordon is no where near as fast as Charles!  Gordon will probably be a decent RB but to act like he is on some whole different level than all the other RB's lol.  I would like to see how he could do on that Washington team.

Nope, I've said the exact same things when I have defended Mariota, and I don't like Manziel for reasons not pertaining to the offense he runs. 

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I said it before but I'll say it again; We have a good core of receivers that, given a good qb, will put up great numbers. A receiver in the first round IS A LUXURY WE CANNOT AFFORD AT THE MOMENT. This bored cried and moaned every day until last year because we had guys like Thomas, Underwood, and Hill starting. Now we have decent ones and it's all, " OMG Evans is 6'5 220 we NEED him." This whole conversation is moot. Move along. The guys we draft next year that will be catching the ball will be a RB and TE. No receivers this year. Move along. That being said, if we don't take Teddy we will be selecting Clowney or maybe Barr if we get Greg Hardy in FA. We don't need a tackle at the moment and any other position we can just trade back.

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