That would be upsetting.

 

Steelers will get some wins, Giants will too. Bucs need a win or two in division otherwise they'll be stiff competition.

It does not matter who loses to Tampa. The only thing that matters is strength of schedule when two or more teams finish with the same record. The Buccaneers will be stiff competition all year because they have a weaker SOS.

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It does not matter who loses to Tampa. The only thing that matters is strength of schedule when two or more teams finish with the same record. The Buccaneers will be stiff competition all year because they have a weaker SOS.

 

But we still don't know what the final strength of schedule will be at the end of the season since we're only 5 games in. 

 

By the way, Is their any place to get the strength of schedule based on the 2013 season or the waiver order?

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But we still don't know what the final strength of schedule will be at the end of the season since we're only 5 games in. 

 

By the way, Is their any place to get the strength of schedule based on the 2013 season or the waiver order?

What is a waiver order?

 

After the season is over and draft picks are announced, we can see each team's SOS on the list. I don't know if you can find it during the regular season.

 

If we do not predict wins and losses for the Buccaneers because they have only played four games, why should we predict which games the Jaguars have a chance of winning?

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What is a waiver order?

 

After the season is over and draft picks are announced, we can see each team's SOS on the list. I don't know if you can find it during the regular season.

 

If we do not predict wins and losses for the Buccaneers because they have only played four games, why should we predict which games the Jaguars have a chance of winning?

 

Waiver order is the priority of which teams get to claim a player that has been cut.  If I'm not mistaking, the waiver order eventually goes by the same rules as the draft order (which uses strenght of schedule as a tie breaker for teams with the same record). 

 

We can still predict wins and losses.  I'm just saying it's probably better to do it based on how good the team is and not so much strength of schedule at this point (which is still a work in progress).  What seems like a good team now may not be so much at the end of the year and vice versa.    I really wish they would get rid of the strength of schedule tie breaker and use something that actually makes sense (like points differential or something). 

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Tampa Bay scares me. The Giants and Steelers are proud organizations. They will find a win. Tampa Bay is trash. 

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Actually SOS does make sense. People can say one reason we lost in Seattle is the Seahawks are among the best teams in the NFL. (Yes, I know it was partly our fault too.)  Same goes for the Denver game Sunday and 49ers game in London. No matter how bad we play in those games, one reason for losing them will be how good the opponent is.

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Tampa Bay scares me. The Giants and Steelers are proud organizations. They will find a win. Tampa Bay is trash. 

Tampa Bay can win a few games too because the Panthers and Falcons suck.

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Eli Manning is still suffering interceptitis, so it appears certain the Giants will lose tonight. Stay tuned, however, because you never really know what will happen.

 

GO GIANTS!!!!!!!!!!

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Actually SOS does make sense. People can say one reason we lost in Seattle is the Seahawks are among the best teams in the NFL. (Yes, I know it was partly our fault too.)  Same goes for the Denver game Sunday and 49ers game in London. No matter how bad we play in those games, one reason for losing them will be how good the opponent is.

 

If there were two teams that were exactly the same, one plays a tough schedule, one plays an easy schedule, which team is better?  

 

If a team plays a hard schedule and doesn't score a point the entire season and looses every game, are they any better than a team that looses every game close but plays a schedule that is slightly easier? 

 

Then there's also the paradox of "What about the strength of schedule of the teams you played?"  If strength of schedule is so relevant, then wouldn't the strength of schedule of the teams you played be important?  The strength of schedule is based on wins and losses only, nothing else.  So what if you had a tough schedule because all the teams you played had an easy strength of schedule?  Shouldn't that be factored in?  And if the level of complexity is infinite, at what point does it make sense?   

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If there were two teams that were exactly the same, one plays a tough schedule, one plays an easy schedule, which team is better?  

 

If a team plays a hard schedule and doesn't score a point the entire season and looses every game, are they any better than a team that looses every game close but plays a schedule that is slightly easier? 

 

Then there's also the paradox of "What about the strength of schedule of the teams you played?"  If strength of schedule is so relevant, then wouldn't the strength of schedule of the teams you played be important?  The strength of schedule is based on wins and losses only, nothing else.  So what if you had a tough schedule because all the teams you played had an easy strength of schedule?  Shouldn't that be factored in?  And if the level of complexity is infinite, at what point does it make sense?   

You are making a simple thing complicated. First of all, we scored almost as many points in Seattle (17) as we did in St. Louis (20). The Giants were shut out at Carolina. So it does not make any sense to use scores, since we all know Carolina is terrible and Seattle is a Super Bowl favorite.

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You are making a simple thing complicated. First of all, we scored almost as many points in Seattle (17) as we did in St. Louis (20). The Giants were shut out at Carolina. So it does not make any sense to use scores, since we all know Carolina is terrible and Seattle is a Super Bowl favorite.

 

I didn't make it complicated.  It already was. 

 

The Giants are better than us in every offensive category and have a better points differential as well.  Using points isn't perfect.  But at least it's less dumb.  Let's see how many people put Jags ahead of Giants in their power rankings after this Denver game, because they haven't done it so far. 

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I didn't make it complicated.  It already was. 

 

The Giants are better than us in every offensive category and have a better points differential as well.  Using points isn't perfect.  But at least it's less dumb.  Let's see how many people put Jags ahead of Giants in their power rankings after this Denver game, because they haven't done it so far. 

Wrong. The Giants are dead last in rushing.

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Wrong. The Giants are dead last in rushing.

 

Well every passing statistic then.

 

By the way, do you think the Jaguars are better than the Giants?

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Well every passing statistic then.

 

By the way, do you think the Jaguars are better than the Giants?

Of course not. The Giants have talent and are just not executing while we simply don't have enough talent. But for some reason, a Sporting News writer thinks the Giants are worse.

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By my own calculation: Here is the current draft order of the winless teams.

 

1. Tampa Bay 0-5 (19-11 SOS)

2. Giants 0-6 (24-11 SOS)

3. Jags 0-6 (26-9 SOS)

 

As a side note, Denver (6-0) has a strength of schedule of 9-27.

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By my own calculation: Here is the current draft order of the winless teams.

 

1. Tampa Bay 0-5 (19-11 SOS)

2. Giants 0-6 (24-11 SOS)

3. Jags 0-6 (26-9 SOS)

 

As a side note, Denver (6-0) has a strength of schedule of 9-27.

Well if we have the toughest SOS out of the 3, shouldn't we be at the top, or is that not how it works? Am I just reading that wrong?

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Well if we have the toughest SOS out of the 3, shouldn't we be at the top, or is that not how it works?

 

No.  When the record is the same, the team with the toughest strength of schedule is the "better team" according to the NFL (because they're stupid).

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No.  When the record is the same, the team with the toughest strength of schedule is the "better team" according to the NFL (because they're stupid).

Well that sucks

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Tampa Bay scares me. The Giants and Steelers are proud organizations. They will find a win. Tampa Bay is trash. 

 

Yes they are. From top down. 

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Now that the Steelers have finally won a game, if the Giants win Monday night, which is possible because Minnesota sucks, we will be in a race with the Buccaneers for last team to win a game.

 

If using SOS as the tiebreaker is stupid, what should the NFL do to determine first round draft order among teams with the same record?

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