Jones had a breakout season and then got hurt for the season while he was 24. Sound familiar?

I'm not saying to pay him 16 million dollars but I think he's being undervalued by some on this board. 2016 was terrible for everyone. There are very good coaches in place and Robinson would most likely benefit from that just like everyone else. Robinson would make everyone on this offense better. 

And you have no idea what the team is offering him. They might not have made him a single offer up to this point. All we know is that they won't franchise him.

This offense didn't produce as well as you think this past season. The defense scored 8 TDs. The passing game needs upgrades and banking on Cole and Westbrook taking a big leap or a rookie making an immediate impact seems short sighted.

Yes but Julio was still under contract. You are talking about cutting a guy. We are discussing paying a player based on his resume and injuries at the conclusion of his contract. 

You are correct we don’t know what the team offered him but they have shown they will pay you if you perform. I would go on a limb and say the team gave him a solid offer. He thinks he’s worth more. That’s fine. I want him to get all the money he can get. I just don’t want us overpaying for him. He’s gonna get big bucks in free agency and I say let him get it.

I think there is a somewhat viable and likely cheaper alternative on the FA market in Sammy Watkins.

Watkins is at the same point in his career/same age roughly as Robinson.

Watkins is familiar with Marrone and Hackett's offense having played in it in Buffalo.

I recall Marrone recently commenting on his criticism of how Buffalo wound up drafting Watkins, indicating he liked him as a player, just not at the price Buffalo wound up paying for him.

Watkins is faster and more explosive than Robinson, especially since Robinson is coming off an ACL injury.

The only problem with Watkins is an inability to stay healthy. 

But considering he is an experienced WR who now knows how to beat NFL coverages and who knows Marrone's offense, it would make a ton of sense for this team to sign him should Robinson walk.

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yeah letting him go will be a dumb move.

only pro bowler on offense since MJD.

Only 24 years old.

 
2015 offense stats were an asterisk.  *garbage time

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His ACL also plays a major role in this.

Down year in 2016 and a torn ACL in 2017 missing the whole year. Coupled with 6 games missed in 2014 with a broken leg. This goes into considering what he is worth. We can’t assume he would have balled out in 2017 had he not been hurt but not add that injury into his contract negotiations on the other side. He is an injury concern. With 1 good year. The question is what are you willing to pay for that. He also may not be back to 100% until 2019 and then what does that look like.

Let someone else pay for that

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Yes but Julio was still under contract. You are talking about cutting a guy. We are discussing paying a player based on his resume and injuries at the conclusion of his contract. 

You are correct we don’t know what the team offered him but they have shown they will pay you if you perform. I would go on a limb and say the team gave him a solid offer. He thinks he’s worth more. That’s fine. I want him to get all the money he can get. I just don’t want us overpaying for him. He’s gonna get big bucks in free agency and I say let him get it.

I think there is a somewhat viable and likely cheaper alternative on the FA market in Sammy Watkins.

Watkins is at the same point in his career/same age roughly as Robinson.

Watkins is familiar with Marrone and Hackett's offense having played in it in Buffalo.

I recall Marrone recently commenting on his criticism of how Buffalo wound up drafting Watkins, indicating he liked him as a player, just not at the price Buffalo wound up paying for him.

Watkins is faster and more explosive than Robinson, especially since Robinson is coming off an ACL injury.

The only problem with Watkins is an inability to stay healthy. 

But considering he is an experienced WR who now knows how to beat NFL coverages and who knows Marrone's offense, it would make a ton of sense for this team to sign him should Robinson walk.

I've been wondering if that's their plan as we could have told A-Rob way before that we weren't franchising him, but we waited to tell him until after Watkins was informed he wouldn't be tagged as well. Counterpoint is that we had to tell him today, anyways. That said, Watkins is the only other wide out on the market with true game changing potential, so it would make sense for us to swap A-Rob for Watkins if we do in fact covet him.

Otherwise I don't really get trading up to draft A-Rob and developing him only to let him go then do the same thing with another wide-out in this year's class. The whole point of draft and develop is to actually retain those players and it's not like wide receiver is a position of strength or are short on cap space either.

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I think there is a somewhat viable and likely cheaper alternative on the FA market in Sammy Watkins.

Watkins is at the same point in his career/same age roughly as Robinson.

Watkins is familiar with Marrone and Hackett's offense having played in it in Buffalo.

I recall Marrone recently commenting on his criticism of how Buffalo wound up drafting Watkins, indicating he liked him as a player, just not at the price Buffalo wound up paying for him.

Watkins is faster and more explosive than Robinson, especially since Robinson is coming off an ACL injury.

The only problem with Watkins is an inability to stay healthy. 

But considering he is an experienced WR who now knows how to beat NFL coverages and who knows Marrone's offense, it would make a ton of sense for this team to sign him should Robinson walk.

I've been wondering if that's their plan as we could have told A-Rob way before that we weren't franchising him, but we waited to tell him until after Watkins was informed he wouldn't be tagged as well. Counterpoint is that we had to tell him today, anyways. That said, Watkins is the only other wide out on the market with true game changing potential, so it would make sense for us to swap A-Rob for Watkins if we do in fact covet him.

Otherwise I don't really get trading up to draft A-Rob and developing him only to let him go then do the same thing with another wide-out in this year's class. The whole point of draft and develop is to actually retain those players and it's not like wide receiver is a position of strength or are short on cap space either.

I agree with this overall.

As to your closing sentiment, I agree that the idea is to retain the players you draft and develop, but the realities of the salary cap is that if you build a potential super bowl caliber team as the Jaguars finally have done, eventually you have to choose which drafted and developed players you have to keep and which to let go.  You can't keep em all.

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I think it also has to be said that the team wants him. It’s not as if the team is not trying to retain him he just wants more than they are willing to pay. That is the issue here.

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I think it also has to be said that the team wants him. It’s not as if the team is not trying to retain him he just wants more than they are willing to pay. That is the issue here.

For the first time in a long long time, this team is not dealing with unlimited cap room.

For the first time in a long long time, this team really has to concern itself with which players it has to retain and which players to let walk because the team is so young and talented.

It's a good problem to have.

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I think it also has to be said that the team wants him. It’s not as if the team is not trying to retain him he just wants more than they are willing to pay. That is the issue here.

For the first time in a long long time, this team is not dealing with unlimited cap room.

For the first time in a long long time, this team really has to concern itself with which players it has to retain and which players to let walk because the team is so young and talented.

It's a good problem to have.

Exactly lol

This isn’t a bad thing

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I don't think he wants to play for us and could get more money elsewhere. This year showed we can be competitive without him. Of course you want as many players as you can get, but you have to get people that will fit with your budget and want to take your money.

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I've been wondering if that's their plan as we could have told A-Rob way before that we weren't franchising him, but we waited to tell him until after Watkins was informed he wouldn't be tagged as well. Counterpoint is that we had to tell him today, anyways. That said, Watkins is the only other wide out on the market with true game changing potential, so it would make sense for us to swap A-Rob for Watkins if we do in fact covet him.

Otherwise I don't really get trading up to draft A-Rob and developing him only to let him go then do the same thing with another wide-out in this year's class. The whole point of draft and develop is to actually retain those players and it's not like wide receiver is a position of strength or are short on cap space either.

I agree with this overall.

As to your closing sentiment, I agree that the idea is to retain the players you draft and develop, but the realities of the salary cap is that if you build a potential super bowl caliber team as the Jaguars finally have done, eventually you have to choose which drafted and developed players you have to keep and which to let go.  You can't keep em all.

I agree with you that when you build a championship caliber team that you will eventually lose players to free agency, but those players should ideally be role players that other teams are looking to pay as front line starters and players coming from positions of strength (Colvin and Fowler both come to mind here) or players who while still playing well are nearing the end of their prime (Parnell and Church), not young players at important positions from the weak link on the team (offense in general here). I'd also argue that any of the cap space limitation we would have, which we don't right now, would be due to our massive free agent signees and acquisitions via trade, rather than through a draft and develop strategy.

This team has an abundance of cap space to re-sign A-Rob and can easily make more space at his exact position by releasing someone like Hurns, so it's more likely that they don't value him relative to the contract he's likely going to receive or believe they'll be able to replace his productivity with someone else. I think the former would be an error in judgement and the latter obviously remains to be seen.

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Tag time: Deadline nears

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WR Allen Robinson the Jaguars player to watch as franchise/transition tag deadline nears; NFL’s window to apply tags closes at 4 p.m. Tuesday

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How many teams let a player who is 24 years old and a top 20 player at his position hit free agency. This bewilders me.

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How many teams let a player who is 24 years old and a top 20 player at his position hit free agency. This bewilders me.

How many teams have as much young talent to retain as this one?

This is a team with young players at marquee positions...

DE-Yannick Ngakoue and Dante Fowler
CB-Jalen Ramsey and A.J. Bouye
LT-Cam Robinson

In addition, the team will need to retain Jack.

I suspect in the not too distant future, guys like Hurns, Campbell, Gipson, Church, Abry Jones, and or Jackson/Dareus may also have to be let go or allowed to walk in free agency.

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How many teams let a player who is 24 years old and a top 20 player at his position hit free agency. This bewilders me.

How much are you willing to pay a top 20 player  fresh off an ACL that’s about to hit free agency?

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I think the team likely has a fair offer for a multi-year deal on the table with A-Rob.  But he and his agent are just being smart and waiting on all the other offers to level up.

Decent chance he still signs in Jax IMO.

He's gone bro. All indications are that his stock will be red hot as he will be the most accomplished WR on the market. If two teams get to bidding he could approach 16 mill average very quickly.

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yeah letting him go will be a dumb move.

only pro bowler on offense since MJD.

Only 24 years old.

 
2015 offense stats were an asterisk.  *garbage time

This exactly.

2015 arob and bortles big numbers came when we were losing and the other teams had gone into soft zones ie garbage time for bb5 and arob and hurns. It got hurns a contract and arob a probowl. I honestly do not know how good arob is because the next year when there was not alot of garbage time he did not produce but neither did bb5. I would not tag him, offer him a show me contact and if he chooses to look elsewhere im sure some team will pay him.

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yeah letting him go will be a dumb move.

only pro bowler on offense since MJD.

Only 24 years old.

 
2015 offense stats were an asterisk.  *garbage time

If 2015 was just totally garbage time then why didn't the Browns put up gaudy numbers last year.

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How many teams let a player who is 24 years old and a top 20 player at his position hit free agency. This bewilders me.

Is he a top 20 player?

A down 2016, missed all of 2017 with an ACL tear and he becomes a big unknown for what you will get in 2018.

I like ARob but if he is going to get near or over 16 million in free agency then let some other team pay that and take that risk.

The Jaguars have too many young talented guys to sign in the next few years to spend that type of money for ARob.

Even if he is in that top 20 WR what makes that worth that type of money?

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ARob might be gone but please don't bring back Lee.

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Same. He's the same age as rookies coming in this year too. 

The longer he waits on signing the more he gets paid from us/others. He's just had a down year due to awful QB play and a serious knee injury. If I'm on his side of things I'm getting EVERY dollar I can.  

I believe our front office wants to keep him and values him more than Lee/Colvin. We have shown we will keep our own top guys and as far as I know Caldwell said we would have signed him mid season if he wasn't injured (could be wrong on that.) 

I'd say his contract would be around 14 per year 30/35 guaranteed.  If the "bidding war" starts to turn that into 16 per and 45ish guaranteed then I don't want him.

With our roster being as talented as it is now, I think we will need to prepare ourselves for more painful and unpleasant choices like this to come in the future.

I could see the team kicking the tires on Sammy Watkins as a vet contingency if Robinson leaves.

Watkins is gonna cost around what Arob will.

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