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I'm on the Blake Bortles Bandwagon July2018!

#21

(07-31-2018, 09:04 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: I actually have a little more faith in Kessler than I did in Henne, although that's not saying much at all. Kessler is definitely not a QB you want in the starting role for any significant time.

Kessler has some mighty big shoes to fill as Henne's replacement.

Henne Stats

2016 - 0 attempts 0 completions 0 yards passing 0 QBR / 1 rush for -2 yards 

2017 - 2 attempts 0 completions 0 yards passing 2.0 QBR (not sure how)  / 5 rushes for - 5 yards 


That's 0-2 passing with -7 yards rushing in 2 years  

TOTAL SALARY FOR THOSE 2 YEARS = $8 MILLION


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#22

(07-31-2018, 10:31 AM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote:
(07-31-2018, 09:04 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: I actually have a little more faith in Kessler than I did in Henne, although that's not saying much at all. Kessler is definitely not a QB you want in the starting role for any significant time.

Kessler has some mighty big shoes to fill as Henne's replacement.

Henne Stats

2016 - 0 attempts 0 completions 0 yards passing 0 QBR / 1 rush for -2 yards 

2017 - 2 attempts 0 completions 0 yards passing 2.0 QBR (not sure how)  / 5 rushes for - 5 yards 


That's 0-2 passing with -7 yards rushing in 2 years  

TOTAL SALARY FOR THOSE 2 YEARS = $8 MILLION


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Cue the “mustachioed Henne smirk”.
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#23
(This post was last modified: 07-31-2018, 11:29 AM by Kane.)

(07-30-2018, 06:01 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: As I said after the draft, I'm going to be a huge Bortles fan this season. He has to be our starting QB at least through 2020, because next year's QB crop is pitiful and there will be no help via free agency either. We've chosen to let everything ride on BB5 and I'm going to support him. I pray everything works in our favor.

Yeah I think next years QBs crop leaves a lot to be desired when one of the top dudes coming out will be Will Grier, Lock, and Herbert. Stidham might actually be the best, if he declares.
These guys will likely be 1st rounders that need a lot of work to be NFL "ready".
I hate the idea of drafting a QB high in the first round if he needs a lot of work.... (I'm lookin at you Caldwell lol)

Now that this team (and fanbase) has invested so much in Bortles I hope more people start to support our far from perfect QB as he is ours and the other options (draft) don't look great.

(07-31-2018, 10:45 AM)homebiscuit Wrote:
(07-31-2018, 10:31 AM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: Kessler has some mighty big shoes to fill as Henne's replacement.

Henne Stats

2016 - 0 attempts 0 completions 0 yards passing 0 QBR / 1 rush for -2 yards 

2017 - 2 attempts 0 completions 0 yards passing 2.0 QBR (not sure how)  / 5 rushes for - 5 yards 


That's 0-2 passing with -7 yards rushing in 2 years  

TOTAL SALARY FOR THOSE 2 YEARS = $8 MILLION


.

Cue the “mustachioed Henne smirk”.

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#24

(07-31-2018, 10:31 AM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote:
(07-31-2018, 09:04 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: I actually have a little more faith in Kessler than I did in Henne, although that's not saying much at all. Kessler is definitely not a QB you want in the starting role for any significant time.

Kessler has some mighty big shoes to fill as Henne's replacement.

Henne Stats

2016 - 0 attempts 0 completions 0 yards passing 0 QBR / 1 rush for -2 yards 

2017 - 2 attempts 0 completions 0 yards passing 2.0 QBR (not sure how)  / 5 rushes for - 5 yards 


That's 0-2 passing with -7 yards rushing in 2 years  

TOTAL SALARY FOR THOSE 2 YEARS = $8 MILLION


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Hey hey....
It wasn't all bad with Henne........
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#25

(07-30-2018, 07:49 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: Given the success of last season, it's easy to forget BB's game inconsistency. Remember? 2 games good, 1 or 2 games bad/meh. The Buffalo game was uuugly, but our defense and his legs pulled it out.

I have confidence he's improved his mechanics. Let's wait and see if the mental consistency has upgraded, as well.

I believe last season was inconsistent at times due to his wrist injury.  He is throwing a better spiral in camp and his accuracy is improved so far.  Barring injury this year we will see just what Blake brings to the game. to
This will be the year to silence the critics.  My guess is he will establish without a doubt that he is the starting QB for this team for years to come.
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#26

(07-31-2018, 11:36 AM)dennisp3 Wrote:
(07-30-2018, 07:49 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: Given the success of last season, it's easy to forget BB's game inconsistency. Remember? 2 games good, 1 or 2 games bad/meh. The Buffalo game was uuugly, but our defense and his legs pulled it out.

I have confidence he's improved his mechanics. Let's wait and see if the mental consistency has upgraded, as well.

I believe last season was inconsistent at times due to his wrist injury.  He is throwing a better spiral in camp and his accuracy is improved so far.  Barring injury this year we will see just what Blake brings to the game. to
This will be the year to silence the critics.  My guess is he will establish without a doubt that he is the starting QB for this team for years to come.

No doubt. He will be a perennial backup around the league if he doesn't.
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#27

(07-31-2018, 11:28 AM)Kane Wrote:
(07-30-2018, 06:01 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: As I said after the draft, I'm going to be a huge Bortles fan this season. He has to be our starting QB at least through 2020, because next year's QB crop is pitiful and there will be no help via free agency either. We've chosen to let everything ride on BB5 and I'm going to support him. I pray everything works in our favor.

Yeah I think next years QBs crop leaves a lot to be desired when one of the top dudes coming out will be Will Grier, Lock, and Herbert. Stidham might actually be the best, if he declares.
These guys will likely be 1st rounders that need a lot of work to be NFL "ready".
I hate the idea of drafting a QB high in the first round if he needs a lot of work.... (I'm lookin at you Caldwell lol)

Now that this team (and fanbase) has invested so much in Bortles I hope more people start to support our far from perfect QB as he is ours and the other options (draft) don't look great.

I'd rather trade for Nick Foles, than draft any of those guys. None of them impress me at this point. Hopefully, Bortles plays well and we don't have to make a major QB move at all though. I am cautiously optimistic that he can take the next step forward now that he has a solid crop of receivers, a solid starting TE, better protection on the O-Line and a much improved running game. With this offense, he is set up to succeed.
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#28

(07-31-2018, 09:16 AM)MoJagFan Wrote: Anyone watch him in camp and have some feedback?  I'm curious on how bad the wrist was last year.  He had that one 3 game stretch that showed promise.  I hope they can put it together and coach better in 2018.

Everything I've read and seen (twitter clips) he looks significantly improved and has been really good in camp. A lot of reports that his accuracy is way better
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#29

(07-31-2018, 11:36 AM)dennisp3 Wrote:
(07-30-2018, 07:49 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: Given the success of last season, it's easy to forget BB's game inconsistency. Remember? 2 games good, 1 or 2 games bad/meh. The Buffalo game was uuugly, but our defense and his legs pulled it out.

I have confidence he's improved his mechanics. Let's wait and see if the mental consistency has upgraded, as well.

I believe last season was inconsistent at times due to his wrist injury.  He is throwing a better spiral in camp and his accuracy is improved so far.  Barring injury this year we will see just what Blake brings to the game. to
This will be the year to silence the critics.  My guess is he will establish without a doubt that he is the starting QB for this team for years to come.

I'm getting this exact same feeling. It's not even a "hope" that he will, I feel confident he'll prove it.
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#30

(07-31-2018, 02:10 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote:
(07-31-2018, 11:28 AM)Kane Wrote: Yeah I think next years QBs crop leaves a lot to be desired when one of the top dudes coming out will be Will Grier, Lock, and Herbert. Stidham might actually be the best, if he declares.
These guys will likely be 1st rounders that need a lot of work to be NFL "ready".
I hate the idea of drafting a QB high in the first round if he needs a lot of work.... (I'm lookin at you Caldwell lol)

Now that this team (and fanbase) has invested so much in Bortles I hope more people start to support our far from perfect QB as he is ours and the other options (draft) don't look great.

I'd rather trade for Nick Foles, than draft any of those guys. None of them impress me at this point. Hopefully, Bortles plays well and we don't have to make a major QB move at all though. I am cautiously optimistic that he can take the next step forward now that he has a solid crop of receivers, a solid starting TE, better protection on the O-Line and a much improved running game. With this offense, he is set up to succeed.

Indeed. (Well, IDK bout trading for Foles... depends on the price heard they wanted 2 firsts or something silly)
But yeah, as much of a Will Grier fan I would be less than enthused drafting any of these potential guys. Granted this is before the season has played, so maybe someone really steps it up.....
But on point... I think Bortles has shown he can improve his game given patience and playing to his strengths. I don't see any reason that he can't improve more given its the first time he's in the same system going into a season, he's injury free, the OL added a superb talent and he got an extension that isn't break the bank but says "we believe in you... keep us believing"

Honestly, I can't wait to hear the haters this season.
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#31

I don't think Bortles will ever be a Brady, Elway, or Marino where he could do it all without help.

But he doesn't have to be.

Last year showed that if you give him help, and not put too much on his shoulders and put him in too many long yardage situations, he can be an effective QB. Let's face it. Had the defense held onto the lead, we'd have been in the Super Bowl last year with Bortles.
 

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#32

(08-01-2018, 09:28 AM)Bullseye Wrote: I don't think Bortles will ever be a Brady, Elway, or Marino where he could do it all without help.

But he doesn't have to be.

Last year showed that if you give him help, and not put too much on his shoulders and put him in too many long yardage situations, he can be an effective QB.  Let's face it.  Had the defense held onto the lead, we'd have been in the Super Bowl last year with Bortles.

No he won't be.
But he could be Eli. I'd take that career as a fan.
Eli is/was also always under scrutiny too. Fans, sports writers and talking heads, terrible head coaches...
He never caught heat from players... but had plenty of haters. Never was an other worldly talent. But won 2 Superbowls with great D and run game.
But key from those runs was him making plays like getting away from the defenders to get the ball to Tyree for the bubblegum catch.
We have that kind of team right now. We have that kind of QB right now.
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#33

(08-01-2018, 10:04 AM)Kane Wrote:
(08-01-2018, 09:28 AM)Bullseye Wrote: I don't think Bortles will ever be a Brady, Elway, or Marino where he could do it all without help.

But he doesn't have to be.

Last year showed that if you give him help, and not put too much on his shoulders and put him in too many long yardage situations, he can be an effective QB.  Let's face it.  Had the defense held onto the lead, we'd have been in the Super Bowl last year with Bortles.

No he won't be.
But he could be Eli. I'd take that career as a fan.
Eli is/was also always under scrutiny too. Fans, sports writers and talking heads, terrible head coaches...
He never caught heat from players... but had plenty of haters. Never was an other worldly talent. But won 2 Superbowls with great D and run game.
But key from those runs was him making plays like getting away from the defenders to get the ball to Tyree for the bubblegum catch.
We have that kind of team right now. We have that kind of QB right now.

Bingo.

We are in complete agreement here.

I would take an "unspectacular or unglamorous" two Super Bowl wins with Bortles any day of the week.
 

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#34

(08-01-2018, 10:09 AM)Bullseye Wrote:
(08-01-2018, 10:04 AM)Kane Wrote: No he won't be.
But he could be Eli. I'd take that career as a fan.
Eli is/was also always under scrutiny too. Fans, sports writers and talking heads, terrible head coaches...
He never caught heat from players... but had plenty of haters. Never was an other worldly talent. But won 2 Superbowls with great D and run game.
But key from those runs was him making plays like getting away from the defenders to get the ball to Tyree for the bubblegum catch.
We have that kind of team right now. We have that kind of QB right now.

Bingo.

We are in complete agreement here.

I would take an "unspectacular or unglamorous" two Super Bowl wins with Bortles any day of the week.

Same. 

No we can't judge a QB on the likes of Brady, Rodgers, Elway, etc. Those are the exceptions.

Blake has the potential to be like Eli, or even a bit better in the regular season. Eli is pretty pedestrian until playoff time, I dont think Blake will ever have a season with over 20 ints, let alone multiple. 

I see a career trajectory similar to Alex Smith, but hopefully with some SB wins in there.
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#35

(08-01-2018, 09:28 AM)Bullseye Wrote: I don't think Bortles will ever be a Brady, Elway, or Marino where he could do it all without help.

But he doesn't have to be.

Last year showed that if you give him help, and not put too much on his shoulders and put him in too many long yardage situations, he can be an effective QB. Let's face it. Had the defense held onto the lead, we'd have been in the Super Bowl last year with Bortles.

He doesn't have to be right now, with an elite bordering on all time great defense. But as we know those don't last forever, or even more than a handful of years, in the salary cap age. Players get expensive, players get old, players get hurt, players simply get worse.

If Bortles is going to be the long term answer he most likely will have to develop into a truly great QB for us to keep the team at the top.
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#36

The guy has had a tough row to hoe with this organization. I’m glad to see him finally get some stability and the opportunity to flourish. This must be the year for that to happen.
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#37

(08-01-2018, 12:44 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: The guy has had a tough row to hoe with this organization. I’m glad to see him finally get some stability and the opportunity to flourish. This must be the year for that to happen.

Agreed. 
I've been critical more often than not, but he took steps last year and seems primed to take a few more now. 
I'm cautiously optimistic we'll be treated to some exciting play-action completions on early downs this season. 
Can't wait to see how Hackett uses ASJ and all those speedy receivers to create mismatches.
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#38

(07-31-2018, 05:48 PM)imtheblkranger Wrote:
(07-31-2018, 09:16 AM)MoJagFan Wrote: Anyone watch him in camp and have some feedback?  I'm curious on how bad the wrist was last year.  He had that one 3 game stretch that showed promise.  I hope they can put it together and coach better in 2018.

Everything I've read and seen (twitter clips) he looks significantly improved and has been really good in camp. A lot of reports that his accuracy is way better

Thanks.  I use the message boards to get my team information overall.  I'm not big on social media so I appreciate the fan eyeballs on the different sources.  I'm definitely optimistic and as much BB5 Bashing I have allowed to flow from my keyboard, I would not have any problem with success.
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#39

(07-31-2018, 10:31 AM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: TOTAL SALARY FOR THOSE 2 YEARS = $8 MILLION


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Smartest guy on the team imo
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#40

(08-01-2018, 01:00 PM)NYC4jags Wrote:
(08-01-2018, 12:44 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: The guy has had a tough row to hoe with this organization. I’m glad to see him finally get some stability and the opportunity to flourish. This must be the year for that to happen.

Agreed. 
I've been critical more often than not, but he took steps last year and seems primed to take a few more now. 
I'm cautiously optimistic we'll be treated to some exciting play-action completions on early downs this season. 
Can't wait to see how Hackett uses ASJ and all those speedy receivers to create mismatches.

I ain't even gonna lie... I was so tired of defending the guy that I had given up last year.
I was basically like "ride him out this year and get ready to draft one"
somewhere in the middle of the season something started clicking... just a lil bit more confidence each game or something... 
he had a near perfect stretch and then ended the season and started the playoffs a lil shaky..... but man... the Pitt and NE games were no accident. Dude CAN be good. This should be the year he is good consistently.

Same system for the 2nd year and added weapons like Moncrief, ASJ, Chark to already budding talents like Cole and Westbrook. Adding Norwell to the OL to bolster our #1 rushing attack.
Cautiously optimistic is the perfect words. But I must admit... it is tough to not be overly optimistic.
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