Contrast the way they're playing hardball with Yannick with how fast they slobbered over themselves trying to pat themselves on the back that Bortles had a fluke stretch of ok play. Shameful.

I was in a restaurant yesterday that was showing a replay of the 2017 AFC Championship game. I turned my back. It still hurts too much.

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They need to stop playing around and pay this man.   Been the most consistent pass rusher this team has ever drafted.  He no doubt will pass Tony Brackens franchise record of career sacks.

We just "bought" a new QB. This is what happens when you spend big money and purchase a good one, instead of drafting one and developing him. Now, we have a ton of young talent who are gonna want to get paid (and rightfully so,) but we're not gonna have the cap room to pay everyone. I desperately wanna keep Yannick. He's my favorite player, but ultimately, we're gonna lose a "star" player or two, because we just don't have the cap room. Whether that be Yannick Ngakoue, Jalen Ramsey, Myles Jack or a combination of two of those players, is anyone's guess at this point. At this point, I just stand pat and keep Ngakoue under his current deal and worry about it after the season. I'd love to lock him into a new deal, but at this point, I just don't think it would be smart, from an economics standpoint.

Pay Yan. Pay Ramsey. See if you can work something out with Jack and if not, let him go.

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They gave all that money to an average at best Nick Foles, all because of 3 games, yet they're playing hardball with the best young pass rusher this franchise has ever had... What a joke.

Even his teammates are speaking out.... [BLEEP] PAY THE MAN RIGHT NOW.

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https://twitter.com/demetrius82/status/1...91136?s=21

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"Before you criticize a man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, if he gets angry, he's a mile away and barefoot."

They gave all that money to an average at best Nick Foles, all because of 3 games, yet they're playing hardball with the best young pass rusher this franchise has ever had... What a joke.

Even his teammates are speaking out.... [BLEEP] PAY THE MAN RIGHT NOW.

I will repost this after Foles leads the Jaguars to a victory in Miami Feb 2, 2020.   Your post gets a downvote -1 reputation rating.

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I'm not going to jump to conclusions.  There is really nothing to indicate that the team is "playing hardball" with him or his agent.  He's got to do what he feels will be better for his future.  I'm sure it will be sorted out over the next few days or even the next few weeks.

Just my personal opinion but I dislike when players decide to hold out while being under contract.  I understand why they do and don't blame them, it's just something that I would never even think of doing.  I'm sure when it all plays out he will get what he deserves and the team can move on.

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There are 10 kinds of people in this world.  Those who understand binary and those who don't.

Not too mad because I think it's a matter of when not if. He can take as long as he wants, Yannick will be ready week 1

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Who don't show up, needs to be fined

Ok then you just pay him it back in the contract.

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I'm not going to jump to conclusions.  There is really nothing to indicate that the team is "playing hardball" with him or his agent.  He's got to do what he feels will be better for his future.  I'm sure it will be sorted out over the next few days or even the next few weeks.

Just my personal opinion but I dislike when players decide to hold out while being under contract.  I understand why they do and don't blame them, it's just something that I would never even think of doing.  I'm sure when it all plays out he will get what he deserves and the team can move on.

It’s not like teams honor contracts either. They should just do away with the entire multi year deal concept altogether in the new CBA as the latter years almost always get thrown out anyway.

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"Before you criticize a man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, if he gets angry, he's a mile away and barefoot."

I hope this doesn't turn into a situation like we had with MJD. Jones-Drew ended up holding out for business reasons, and by the time they finally worked something out he was done. He ended up showing up out of shape, and I recall him being virtually useless that season.  The same thing happened when Tony Brackens held out. 

Yannick Ngakoue is 24 years old. MJD held out during the summer of 2012 coming off a heavy season of workload at the age of 27 at a much more physically demanding position on an offense that ABSOLUTELY demanded production at the position. He took a beating for this team. 

Had he not had the injuries he would have been better off. His last year in Jacksonville wasn't too terrible. Had he seen his regular amount of 300+ touches on the ground he would have more than likely had over 1500 yards of total offense that year. Brackens was also 27 when he had his injury. 

You could make the argument, at least from a historical point of view that this team would be getting AHEAD of a potential injury and downward spiral in production by extending him now at 24 for 3 - 5 years instead of drawing this out as much as they possibly can. And I still think Brackens played in a much more grittier era of football. It certainly added to his injuries or injury. Now they have better rules in place to pretty much try and protect everybody. 

Rehabbing and recovering methods have also been much improved upon since Brackens played. Not too concerned.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

I don't see how missing this mini camp will help him get a contract. Training camp in July may increase pressure to work out a deal but this no pad three days will not push the team to pursue contract negotiations. If anything it will piss off Tom. My personal opinion is showing up would have been a much better option to show the team his respect for the organization. Maybe I am wrong but missing these three days is counterproductive. If a contract was not finished for training camp then a hold out may force the team to the table.

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I don't see how missing this mini camp will help him get a contract.  Training camp in July may increase pressure to work out a deal but this no pad three days will not push the team to pursue contract negotiations. If anything it will piss off Tom. My personal opinion is showing up would have been a much better option to show the team his respect for the organization. Maybe I am wrong but missing these three days is counterproductive. If a contract was not finished for training camp then a hold out may force the team to the table.

Depends on how you want to look at it. After LeVeon Bell had his way last year and after what happened to Earl Thomas with that leg injury in Seattle? I can see why players have a few crucial points about getting paid NOW instead of waiting until LATER when you never know what might happen during practice or during a live game. 

I honestly wouldn't mind them getting this deal done ASAP. Because ultimately each year we keep seeing players getting paid more and more money and you start seeing "so-so" guys getting hefty pay increases when their production looks "so-so" on paper next to our guy. Need to try and stay ahead of the market at that position while we can.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

Oh yes, I definitely recall them slobbering all over themselves.

Good, I didn't think I was alone in that.

You have a very unique way of 'remembering' things.

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I don't see how missing this mini camp will help him get a contract.  Training camp in July may increase pressure to work out a deal but this no pad three days will not push the team to pursue contract negotiations. If anything it will piss off Tom. My personal opinion is showing up would have been a much better option to show the team his respect for the organization. Maybe I am wrong but missing these three days is counterproductive. If a contract was not finished for training camp then a hold out may force the team to the table.

It's a business. They can show him some respect by paying him what he's worth..skipping activities means you are withholding your services until they do so

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Granted he could come to camp if he WANTS, but I'm sure his agent is orchestrating things.

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I don't see how missing this mini camp will help him get a contract.  Training camp in July may increase pressure to work out a deal but this no pad three days will not push the team to pursue contract negotiations. If anything it will piss off Tom. My personal opinion is showing up would have been a much better option to show the team his respect for the organization. Maybe I am wrong but missing these three days is counterproductive. If a contract was not finished for training camp then a hold out may force the team to the table.

Depends on how you want to look at it. After LeVeon Bell had his way last year and after what happened to Earl Thomas with that leg injury in Seattle? I can see why players have a few crucial points about getting paid NOW instead of waiting until LATER when you never know what might happen during practice or during a live game. 

I honestly wouldn't mind them getting this deal done ASAP. Because ultimately each year we keep seeing players getting paid more and more money and you start seeing "so-so" guys getting hefty pay increases when their production looks "so-so" on paper next to our guy. Need to try and stay ahead of the market at that position while we can.

I would love to see a deal done, no one can say yan does not deserve more money the player is way underpaid. Somehow the league and payers union need to get these contracts under control, its destroying team's ability to keep good players and in my opinion,  going to affect the quality of play. Looking at our team how do you keep Yan, Calais, Ramsey, Jack, Talvin, Darius under the cap, I don't think one player is worth 30 mil a year and that's where it's headed. If the NFL is making that much revenue then they need to increase the cap so teams can keep their players.

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I hope this doesn't turn into a situation like we had with MJD. Jones-Drew ended up holding out for business reasons, and by the time they finally worked something out he was done. He ended up showing up out of shape, and I recall him being virtually useless that season.  The same thing happened when Tony Brackens held out. 

This is a patently false statement. 

He held out because on a legitimately talentless 2011 Jaguars team (basically him and Justin Blackmon) he led the league in rushing while playing through a knee injury the last few games (I believe it was a meniscus tear) He held out because his play on offense warranted it (bc yk.. rushing title; and he did it with minimal help) he held out, eventually caved thinking the front office would do right by him, and then suffered a linsfranc injury 6 games into the season. In those 6 games prior to the linsfranc injury (which essentially derailed/ended his career) he had the highest yards per carry of his career (4.8 ypc) with the exception of his rookie year (5.7 ypc as Fred's backup). That Jags team may have been useless (we were led by Mike Mularkey and Blaine Gabbert) but MJD was not. 

MJD should actually be living proof that Yannick SHOULD hold out because the injury risk is not worth affecting your contract/future earnings.

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Championship Formula:

1) Draft Trevor Lawrence!
2) Play good physical Defense! 
3) Keep 91% of the roster healthy!
4) ???
5) Blank #2
6) CHAMPIONSHIP!!!

Not too mad because I think it's a matter of when not if. He can take as long as he wants, Yannick will be ready week 1

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Who don't show up, needs to be fined

Ok then you just pay him it back in the contract.

That's fine

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I'd like to see us keep Jack, Ramsey, and Yannick. But there always has to be limit. I do think a deal will get done but if he want to play hard ball we could too and just franchise him next year and even the year after if we wanted too. I do think both sides come to an agreement on a deal before season though

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https://twitter.com/demetrius82/status/1...91136?s=21

Lol, he says that about everyone.  He said the same thing about Colvin

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I don't see how missing this mini camp will help him get a contract.  Training camp in July may increase pressure to work out a deal but this no pad three days will not push the team to pursue contract negotiations. If anything it will piss off Tom. My personal opinion is showing up would have been a much better option to show the team his respect for the organization. Maybe I am wrong but missing these three days is counterproductive. If a contract was not finished for training camp then a hold out may force the team to the table.

It’s injury protection. No reason to put your body at risk if the team isn’t willing to give you the security. I fully expect him to hold out in camp as well if no progress is made.

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"Before you criticize a man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, if he gets angry, he's a mile away and barefoot."

I see a lot of pay da man.
Is everyone comfortable making Yan the highest paid defender?
If im his agent, thats my price.
If im the team, im trying to save as much as possible and maybe making him the 4th(hypothetical) highest defender.
Remember negotiations take 2 sides and it takes time landing in the middle somewhere

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The issue here is that the front office can’t decide who they are.

“Work hard and earn your keep.... well unless we need to pay you.... then I don’t know... unless you’re a bottom feeding QB who threw 2 TD passes in 3 playoff games combined and in one game couldn’t crack 100 passing yards... then we will pay you”

Yan has earned every penny he’s going to get. Great locker room guy, plays a premium position and is in his prime

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