A lot of things may be back by the autumn/winter, but fans at sporting events is definitely NOT one of things I would expect to return that quickly.

If fans aren't in the stands in September then it will definitely be more clearly a political gesture than a health gesture. Those most susceptible to the virus, who skew the death toll, don't usually go to games at the stadium. They hang out in nursing homes. This is getting old fast. Let people decide their own risk and make their own choices in life.

The problem with that is it puts other people in danger. It’s not just one person who’s at risk. It’s everyone who’s been in contact with them.

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If they formally announce this, I would feel comfortable renewing immediately. I have been dragging my feet anticipating 2 beautiful October games heading to London and being stuck with the brutally hot September games. Agree with the earlier comments regarding [BLEEP] London.

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It would also be great if they do away with the big ripoff preseason games (or at least keep them at the 50% rate) even though I think those may be played without fans.

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If fans aren't in the stands in September then it will definitely be more clearly a political gesture than a health gesture. Those most susceptible to the virus, who skew the death toll, don't usually go to games at the stadium. They hang out in nursing homes. This is getting old fast. Let people decide their own risk and make their own choices in life.

The problem with that is it puts other people in danger. It’s not just one person who’s at risk. It’s everyone who’s been in contact with them.

Living, breathing and daily life puts other people in danger.  You can't eliminate risk.  Sure you can do mitigating factors but all decisions have impacts.  There are long standing virologists and other doctors that have a point of view that goes against the WHO and CDC.  That said I don't think fans will be in the stands.  Their are governors that are strongly against letting their control be eased up.

I'm hopeful for the best but international travel with the added quarantine periods does really work against international games.

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Birth of the Franchise - November 30, 1993
Death of the Franchise - November 29, 2011

Fans deserve better. Thanks for all the good times too many are in the past.

A lot of things may be back by the autumn/winter, but fans at sporting events is definitely NOT one of things I would expect to return that quickly.

If fans aren't in the stands in September then it will definitely be more clearly a political gesture than a health gesture. Those most susceptible to the virus, who skew the death toll, don't usually go to games at the stadium. They hang out in nursing homes. This is getting old fast. Let people decide their own risk and make their own choices in life.

There's a liability issue to consider. The cities and/or the owners have to have an awareness of that.

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If fans aren't in the stands in September then it will definitely be more clearly a political gesture than a health gesture. Those most susceptible to the virus, who skew the death toll, don't usually go to games at the stadium. They hang out in nursing homes. This is getting old fast. Let people decide their own risk and make their own choices in life.

There's a liability issue to consider. The cities and/or the owners have to have an awareness of that.

To be honest, i think thats the biggest factor holding business and sporting events back. If someone goes to an event and gets sick, can they sue?

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If fans aren't in the stands in September then it will definitely be more clearly a political gesture than a health gesture. Those most susceptible to the virus, who skew the death toll, don't usually go to games at the stadium. They hang out in nursing homes. This is getting old fast. Let people decide their own risk and make their own choices in life.

There's a liability issue to consider. The cities and/or the owners have to have an awareness of that.

Yeah we are a very litigious society.  Businesses are taking huge liability if they have big gatherings.

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Birth of the Franchise - November 30, 1993
Death of the Franchise - November 29, 2011

Fans deserve better. Thanks for all the good times too many are in the past.

It's official

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I am a fan, not a cheerleader.

Great news for us! Our boys are coming home!

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A True Fan ladies and gentlemen:

Ramsey for Grier straight up

Happy with this. Be nice to see a full season at home again. Ive loved having them come here once a year and getting to meet the players but the team staying in Jacksonville is the most important thing.

Happy the locals get a break in their favor for once.

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The problem with that is it puts other people in danger. It’s not just one person who’s at risk. It’s everyone who’s been in contact with them.

Living, breathing and daily life puts other people in danger.  You can't eliminate risk.  Sure you can do mitigating factors but all decisions have impacts.  There are long standing virologists and other doctors that have a point of view that goes against the WHO and CDC.  That said I don't think fans will be in the stands.  Their are governors that are strongly against letting their control be eased up.

I'm hopeful for the best but international travel with the added quarantine periods does really work against international games.

If this would only affect your health or only my I wouldn't give a crap and I'd say let the season go ahead and run the risk of infections. But that's not the case here. As we've seen in Europe a single soccer match with one or two infected in the crowd can lead to dozens or even hundreds more infected. All those people then go on to infect even more people and so on and so on. And all it takes is one of those people visit their grandparents in the retirement home and then the retirement home is infected as well and people start dying.

And continuing on, the number of infected keeps growing, soon after that, the hospitals are overwhelmed, and then the ICU's are swamped. Doctors will face the choice of choosing who they let die and who they put on the ventilators, simply because they don't have the capacity to put everyone on the ventilators. And that's just from the virus itself, meanwhile the normal care continues to put a demand on the hospitals as well. People coming in with acute needs like heart attacks likely won't be able to get the care they need because the hospital is packed with corona patients, not to mention the risk they run of catching the virus themselves.

This is exactly what happened in Wuhan, and then Italy, and Spain, and it's what would have happened in a lot places had they not put stringent rules in place about social contact and social distancing. In the end, it's not about you and your choice, you selfish git. It's about everyone's health and safety.

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The problem with that is it puts other people in danger. It’s not just one person who’s at risk. It’s everyone who’s been in contact with them.

Living, breathing and daily life puts other people in danger.  You can't eliminate risk.  Sure you can do mitigating factors but all decisions have impacts.  There are long standing virologists and other doctors that have a point of view that goes against the WHO and CDC.  That said I don't think fans will be in the stands.  Their are governors that are strongly against letting their control be eased up.

I'm hopeful for the best but international travel with the added quarantine periods does really work against international games.

The bad part about this is the fact that the Season Ticket Holder now has to weigh other factors instead of just renewing based on their team and desire to go to the game.  So now, the 65 year old (or person with known health issues ) season ticket holder of 25 years has to blindly renew or lose his seat and tenure, even though he/she knows their health may be at risk.  This is a no win situation for team owner and fan.

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How will the fans of all 32 NFL franchises that live in London pull through this? I am a little worried about them.

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Living, breathing and daily life puts other people in danger.  You can't eliminate risk.  Sure you can do mitigating factors but all decisions have impacts.  There are long standing virologists and other doctors that have a point of view that goes against the WHO and CDC.  That said I don't think fans will be in the stands.  Their are governors that are strongly against letting their control be eased up.

I'm hopeful for the best but international travel with the added quarantine periods does really work against international games.

The bad part about this is the fact that the Season Ticket Holder now has to weigh other factors instead of just renewing based on their team and desire to go to the game.  So now, the 65 year old (or person with known health issues ) season ticket holder of 25 years has to blindly renew or lose his seat and tenure, even though he/she knows their health may be at risk.  This is a no win situation for team owner and fan.

I renewed but, at this time, I have no intention of going to a game. Tailgating with the usual 15-20 people, then going into the stadium with what, 10,000? 50,000? people...what could go wrong?

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Season Ticket holder since 2004.

 

        

Living, breathing and daily life puts other people in danger.  You can't eliminate risk.  Sure you can do mitigating factors but all decisions have impacts.  There are long standing virologists and other doctors that have a point of view that goes against the WHO and CDC.  That said I don't think fans will be in the stands.  Their are governors that are strongly against letting their control be eased up.

I'm hopeful for the best but international travel with the added quarantine periods does really work against international games.

If this would only affect your health or only my I wouldn't give a crap and I'd say let the season go ahead and run the risk of infections. But that's not the case here. As we've seen in Europe a single soccer match with one or two infected in the crowd can lead to dozens or even hundreds more infected. All those people then go on to infect even more people and so on and so on. And all it takes is one of those people visit their grandparents in the retirement home and then the retirement home is infected as well and people start dying.

And continuing on, the number of infected keeps growing, soon after that, the hospitals are overwhelmed, and then the ICU's are swamped. Doctors will face the choice of choosing who they let die and who they put on the ventilators, simply because they don't have the capacity to put everyone on the ventilators. And that's just from the virus itself, meanwhile the normal care continues to put a demand on the hospitals as well. People coming in with acute needs like heart attacks likely won't be able to get the care they need because the hospital is packed with corona patients, not to mention the risk they run of catching the virus themselves.

This is exactly what happened in Wuhan, and then Italy, and Spain, and it's what would have happened in a lot places had they not put stringent rules in place about social contact and social distancing. In the end, it's not about you and your choice, you selfish git. It's about everyone's health and safety.

Current testing is showing that the proliferation of COVID-19 happened much sooner than we knew, many more people than we know have already been infected and recovered, and that the fatality rate is consistent with an average flu season globally. Anyway, carry on.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

NFL cancels all international games in London, Mexico City for the 2020 NFL season

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-c...fl-season/

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If this would only affect your health or only my I wouldn't give a crap and I'd say let the season go ahead and run the risk of infections. But that's not the case here. As we've seen in Europe a single soccer match with one or two infected in the crowd can lead to dozens or even hundreds more infected. All those people then go on to infect even more people and so on and so on. And all it takes is one of those people visit their grandparents in the retirement home and then the retirement home is infected as well and people start dying.

And continuing on, the number of infected keeps growing, soon after that, the hospitals are overwhelmed, and then the ICU's are swamped. Doctors will face the choice of choosing who they let die and who they put on the ventilators, simply because they don't have the capacity to put everyone on the ventilators. And that's just from the virus itself, meanwhile the normal care continues to put a demand on the hospitals as well. People coming in with acute needs like heart attacks likely won't be able to get the care they need because the hospital is packed with corona patients, not to mention the risk they run of catching the virus themselves.

This is exactly what happened in Wuhan, and then Italy, and Spain, and it's what would have happened in a lot places had they not put stringent rules in place about social contact and social distancing. In the end, it's not about you and your choice, you selfish git. It's about everyone's health and safety.

Current testing is showing that the proliferation of COVID-19 happened much sooner than we knew, many more people than we know have already been infected and recovered, and that the fatality rate is consistent with an average flu season globally. Anyway, carry on.

Got a source for this one, cowboy?

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Current testing is showing that the proliferation of COVID-19 happened much sooner than we knew, many more people than we know have already been infected and recovered, and that the fatality rate is consistent with an average flu season globally. Anyway, carry on.

Got a source for this one, cowboy?

No but April 15th Florida was supposed to have 700k sick. Oops

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Current testing is showing that the proliferation of COVID-19 happened much sooner than we knew, many more people than we know have already been infected and recovered, and that the fatality rate is consistent with an average flu season globally. Anyway, carry on.

Got a source for this one, cowboy?

Yes, but feel free to do your own research there partner.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

NFL cancels all international games in London, Mexico City for the 2020 NFL season

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-c...fl-season/

Regardless of how one feels about NFL games being played in the UK and Mexico City in much more normal years, I think the NFL made the only sensible decision this time around. The uncertainty with foreign travel as a result of COVID-19, makes it near impossible for the NFL to schedule games outside the USA for the 2020 season.

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