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Amazing List of former Jags in the playoffs
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95% of this forum trashed alualu from the day he was drafted till the day he left, now we’re using him as an example of our GM knew nothing for letting him go
We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today! (01-27-2021, 06:30 PM)Craigukjag Wrote: 95% of this forum trashed alualu from the day he was drafted till the day he left, now we’re using him as an example of our GM knew nothing for letting him go Honestly he was overdrafted but he is a solid player
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Patience, Persistence, and Piss Poor General Managers. (01-27-2021, 10:53 AM)Jagwired Wrote:(01-27-2021, 10:29 AM)JagFan81 Wrote: You make a very good point as usual. The thing is, most of those names were drafted high by us or became a key player to starter for us. We identified talent but we couldnt get one of those players to sign a 2nd contract. Give this man a prize. Most of those players are just guys. Campbell and Ramsey are the exceptions. Campbell was expensive and getting to the end of his career. We did him a solid by letting him sign with a winner. Ramsey is a talented, lazy, selfish turd. Good riddance. Robinson refused to sign. The rest are just starters, not stars. Easily replaceable. Fix the O-Line!
It's always been the coaches. We've had a little talent, but whatever talent we had slipped through our hands like water. The coaches/staff were incompetent from the top down. Clueless. Marrone and Wash, and every OC that was selected, were in over their head. I feel like a main culprit in our lack of success was the team being hellbent on trying to build that super defense. Failing to bolster the offense, while piling up average Joe's for a defensive coordinator who should have been coaching at a Community College.
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(01-27-2021, 09:20 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: What do these players have in common? No one is saying that the Jaguars haven't made mistakes. I wanted Caldwell fired as much as anyone. However, I hardly find this list to be "mind-boggling". While what you said is perhaps factually true from a certain perspective, it's misleading with a lot of caveats that are worth noting. To start, the playoffs were expanded to 14 teams. Almost half of the league (44%) is now considered a "playoff team". You listed 12 "starters", but you included 2 special teams players. I wouldn't. That makes it 10 players on 14 teams and even that is misleading. You are counting multiple players who were regular season backups and only started because of injury to the real starter. One player on your list is a running back who had a whole 70 rushing yards during the entire regular season! When injuries hit, players step in. It's a little misleading to portray them as "starters" without clearly making that caveat up front. Of the ones on the list who are real starters, most of them are "just guys". Even playoff teams rarely have quality players at all 22 positions. Usually, there are some "just guys" mixed into it. There are really only four quality starters on the list and we are all well aware of them. Three of them clearly wanted out of Jacksonville and the other was an aging player, who while he would have helped us this year, wasn't seen as part of a rebuilding team that wouldn't be making a serious playoff run for another couple of years. It should also be noted that three of those quality lost players combined to bring us 2 first rounders, 1 second rounder, 1 fourth rounder, and 2 fifth rounders. With one exception, all of those picks are all still to come. Those lost players also relieved us of huge salaries which will allow us to be active in free agency this year. If the Jaguars make smart use of those resources, the loss is significantly lessened.
(01-27-2021, 09:20 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: What do these players have in common?
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(01-27-2021, 09:20 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: What do these players have in common? I think you're using the term "starter" a little liberally. I think "contributors" is a better way to say what you're trying to get across. How many of those guys either asked to leave or chose to pursue a bigger deal elsewhere, regardless of whether we tendered an offer? How many of them were hot garbage while there were here? Alualu was here for what 7,8 years? There's maybe one or two on that list that I would fight (or would have fought) to keep around. The rest of them are either good riddance or easily replaceable. We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today! (01-28-2021, 09:18 AM)Mikey Wrote:forgot Marcedes Lewis(01-27-2021, 09:20 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: What do these players have in common?
"If this team gets lessons from losing they should all be Einsteins by now."---Jaguarmvp
"Football is not played on paper, its played inside Televisions"---Random Poster BCC (01-28-2021, 04:14 PM)ajagsfan Wrote:(01-28-2021, 09:18 AM)Mikey Wrote: I think you're using the term "starter" a little liberally.forgot Marcedes Lewis ...was he a 'starter'? I thought Paul Tonyan was A. A. Ron's go-to-TE We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today!
(01-29-2021, 09:08 AM)Mikey Wrote:(01-28-2021, 04:14 PM)ajagsfan Wrote: forgot Marcedes Lewis He started in the playoffs. I don't know that all the guys on the list were starters for the first game of the season. I do know that they all started in the playoffs. A lot of the guys on the list were "just guys" for us, and we apparently thought we could do better, and let them walk. Obviously, we did not do better. And, I have a hard time believing that Caldwell would tank on purpose when the result would inevitably be for him to lose his job. That's why I think the list is evidence of incompetence, nothing more. (01-29-2021, 09:16 AM)NYC4jags Wrote:(01-29-2021, 09:08 AM)Mikey Wrote: ...was he a 'starter'? I thought Paul Tonyan was A. A. Ron's go-to-TE They all started in the playoffs.
(01-29-2021, 09:21 AM)The Real Marty Wrote:(01-29-2021, 09:08 AM)Mikey Wrote: ...was he a 'starter'? I thought Paul Tonyan was A. A. Ron's go-to-TE No one is denying that the Jaguars have made mistakes. I just feel that your list falls way short of "amazing" or "mind-boggling". It sounds good to say "he's a playoff game starter", but if he's a guy who was incapable of finding a starting job on any team in the entire league and just started because of injuries, I don't think the Jaguars should be kicking themselves because of it. You included TJ Yeldon on the list. Here's the regular season stats for this running back: Rushing Yards: 70 Rushing TD's: 0 Receiving Yards: 22 Receiving TD's: 1 Those aren't averages per games. Those are TOTALS! Do you really think the Jaguars are kicking themselves for letting this production go? Being a "playoff game starter" doesn't necessarily mean much. Your list included 12 names, but it really only comes down to 4 guys who would have had a significant impact on the team this year. If you want to criticize the handling of the four quality players, fine. However, I would remind you that 3 clearly want out of Jacksonville and the other was an aging player who has seen his production decline for three straight years. I know there's nostalgia, but are you aware that Campbell only had 4 sacks this year? His production will likely continue to decline over the next year or two which is the earliest the team would realistically be competitive. While I don't believe the team was "tanking", I do think they were looking at the team's long term future and didn't see Campbell as part of it. You also aren't considering the salary cap impact of these players or that most of these were trades that have netted us 2 first rounders, 1 second rounder, 2 fourth rounders and 2 fifth rounders. With one exception, these picks have all yet to come. (01-29-2021, 09:21 AM)The Real Marty Wrote:(01-29-2021, 09:08 AM)Mikey Wrote: ...was he a 'starter'? I thought Paul Tonyan was A. A. Ron's go-to-TE Starting due to injury and starting at a ST position is misleading at best IMO. Don’t get me wrong - I hate that we haven’t been smarter about retaining talent going all the way back to Daryl Smith. I get your point. I just think there are only four players on your list that we realistically could have and should have kept. The rest are either no real loss, irretrievable malcontents, middling rotation guys, or one trick role players. |
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