What does that have to do with being responsible citizens?

We shouldn't be profiting off of education, I thought that was obvious.

If you're talking about for-profit schools, I agree, those are the schools that seem to play the biggest role in the unsustainable student debt situation we have right now.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

We shouldn't be profiting off of education, I thought that was obvious.

If you're talking about for-profit schools, I agree, those are the schools that seem to play the biggest role in the unsustainable student debt situation we have right now.

I'm talking about all schools. We have "not for profit" schools sitting on billion dollar endowments while raking in federal dollars and still increasing the cost of tuition 12% a year. Meanwhile the system that lets kids go to those schools puts them into a lifetime of debt for the privilege of working a $50k a year job. It's unsustainable and needs to be reformed. To fix it I would institute tuition controls for schools that accept federal tuition loans and eliminate interest on federal student loans.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

You guys have gone off track. The bill in question has nothing to do with student loans.

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And now the legislature is backing off.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/flo...t-n1262829

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Donald Trump told me he was bringing back my dad’s coal mining job but it never happened !

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It makes sense to give bright future scholarships to those who choose majors that will yield jobs that won't allow them to pay back their student loan debt. Kind of getting out in front of the problem early.

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And now the legislature is backing off.  

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/flo...t-n1262829

Ya know, it's really sad. I read down that article and got to the picture of the four "white minority" students and thought, "This article is going to have to mention disproportionate effects to black students." It's just how the news works these days...

Not much further FTA: "The program itself isn’t perfect either. Black students make up more than 21 percent of Florida’s K-12 student population, but only 6 percent of Bright Futures recipients are Black. And while white students compromise 36 percent of total students, they have amounted to more than half of the scholarship’s recipients every year since the program’s inception."

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Donald Trump told me he was bringing back my dad’s coal mining job but it never happened !

Trump successfully stabilized the industry and jobs were holding steady until the pandemic blew up the world last March. Had that not occurred the success of American coal production was set to shift to exports as China and India both placed significant orders intending to power their nations with new coal plants. Now that Xau Bai-Din is in the White House he'll have to square his pandering to American Greenies with the need to produce coal for his CCP masters.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

And now the legislature is backing off.  

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/flo...t-n1262829

Ya know, it's really sad. I read down that article and got to the picture of the four "white minority" students and thought, "This article is going to have to mention disproportionate effects to black students." It's just how the news works these days...

Not much further FTA: "The program itself isn’t perfect either. Black students make up more than 21 percent of Florida’s K-12 student population, but only 6 percent of Bright Futures recipients are Black. And while white students compromise 36 percent of total students, they have amounted to more than half of the scholarship’s recipients every year since the program’s inception."

Or maybe the program is perfect but the students in question are not.  

I'd like to see the percentages for Asian students.  They're probably doing even better than white students.

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It makes sense to give bright future scholarships to those who choose majors that will yield jobs that won't allow them to pay back their student loan debt. Kind of getting out in front of the problem early.

Bright Futures Scholarships have nothing to do with student loans.  

The answer to the student loan crisis isn't to end scholarship programs, but to stop loaning money to people who aren't going to pay it back.

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Ya know, it's really sad. I read down that article and got to the picture of the four "white minority" students and thought, "This article is going to have to mention disproportionate effects to black students." It's just how the news works these days...

Not much further FTA: "The program itself isn’t perfect either. Black students make up more than 21 percent of Florida’s K-12 student population, but only 6 percent of Bright Futures recipients are Black. And while white students compromise 36 percent of total students, they have amounted to more than half of the scholarship’s recipients every year since the program’s inception."

Or maybe the program is perfect but the students in question are not.  

I'd like to see the percentages for Asian students.  They're probably doing even better than white students.

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It makes sense to give bright future scholarships to those who choose majors that will yield jobs that won't allow them to pay back their student loan debt. Kind of getting out in front of the problem early.

Bright Futures Scholarships have nothing to do with student loans.  

The answer to the student loan crisis isn't to end scholarship programs, but to stop loaning money to people who aren't going to pay it back.

When the federal government is subsidizing an industry, as it is with higher education, I believe we should institute price controls on the costs associated with using it. Either get them all the way out, or have them put ironfisted rules in place to prevent abuse, this current system we have is a moral hazard full of perverse incentives.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

From the article: “Scholars have found that state-provided merit aid can often give money to already-advantaged students, and is not focused on improving access for underprivileged students, said Justin Ortagus, director of the Institute of Higher Education at the University of Florida’s College of Education.”

So the MERIT based scholarship should focus on improving access to underprivileged kids?

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What in the Wide Wide World of Sports is agoin' on here???

From the article: “Scholars have found that state-provided merit aid can often give money to already-advantaged students, and is not focused on improving access for underprivileged students, said Justin Ortagus, director of the Institute of Higher Education at the University of Florida’s College of Education.”

So the MERIT based scholarship should focus on improving access to underprivileged kids?

I'm absolutely positive that somewhere in Lefty World "merit" is considered code for white privilege.

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Ya know, it's really sad. I read down that article and got to the picture of the four "white minority" students and thought, "This article is going to have to mention disproportionate effects to black students." It's just how the news works these days...

Not much further FTA: "The program itself isn’t perfect either. Black students make up more than 21 percent of Florida’s K-12 student population, but only 6 percent of Bright Futures recipients are Black. And while white students compromise 36 percent of total students, they have amounted to more than half of the scholarship’s recipients every year since the program’s inception."

Or maybe the program is perfect but the students in question are not.  

I'd like to see the percentages for Asian students.  They're probably doing even better than white students.

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It makes sense to give bright future scholarships to those who choose majors that will yield jobs that won't allow them to pay back their student loan debt. Kind of getting out in front of the problem early.

Bright Futures Scholarships have nothing to do with student loans.  

The answer to the student loan crisis isn't to end scholarship programs, but to stop loaning money to people who aren't going to pay it back.

Does bright future scholarship provide financial assistance towards tuition?

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Ya know, it's really sad. I read down that article and got to the picture of the four "white minority" students and thought, "This article is going to have to mention disproportionate effects to black students." It's just how the news works these days...

Not much further FTA: "The program itself isn’t perfect either. Black students make up more than 21 percent of Florida’s K-12 student population, but only 6 percent of Bright Futures recipients are Black. And while white students compromise 36 percent of total students, they have amounted to more than half of the scholarship’s recipients every year since the program’s inception."

Or maybe the program is perfect but the students in question are not.  

I'd like to see the percentages for Asian students.  They're probably doing even better than white students.

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There may not be the population in Florida to support that theory. In California it was so abundantly true that UC campuses were caught red-handed refusing scholarships for Asian kids because they were so disproportionate compared to other 'minorities'. White kids don't count.  
But therein lies the rub with leftist dictates. Asians have become the new targeted minority by white supremacists (even though a great many of the recorded attacks are by blacks, another leftist conundrum) so to single them out as disproportionate recipients of merit-based scholarships would run against the grain of the white supremacy narrative.
What's a woke leftist to do?

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Honest question: What is the value of a gender or ethnics study degree outside of political activism or maybe a teaching certificate?

What's the value of any liberal arts degree?  I have a history degree.  There's absolutely no economic value to it.  I am glad I have it, because I like having that knowledge.  But I went back and got an accounting degree 3 years after I graduated with a history degree.

Just curious, like HS, did they teach you in college that the US won the Vietnam (aka American) War?

Also, you could be a history professor and assist others in their pursuit of the ever-valuable history degree.

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IMO, it should not be left to Bright Futures to determine worthless degrees.  If something is declared "worthless" then take it off of each universities list of degree options.

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Who was taught the US won the Vietnam War?

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Who was taught the US won the Vietnam War?

Of course we did. We had no choice after the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.

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The scholarship should give a bonus if you want to go into a STEM major. I think it was/is capped if you want to go to a private school, while the public schools were 100% or 75% (some % #). So give a bonus % to cover books or tie it to a bonus after graduating and working in Florida in the field for X years. Allow choice and if the woke idiots want to study meaningless degrees let them waste their free money.

As far as there being a disadvantage, that has nothing to do with race ... unless you want to say different races have different IQs and I thought we moved past that. It is all based on the values you are born into. You have parents who don't care and don't make school a focus, you will also not focus on school except for the rare individuals who early in life see they need education to pull themselves out of the cycle. It also isn't really an income issue, although it is related.

It is very fair across the board, except that the disadvantaged kids may actually be the ones that go to college prep schools. It is GPA based, so if you go to a harder school and you are borderline you may lose the scholarship while you probably could have had 100% at a regular high-school. I'm sure no one wants to talk about that though because it benefits those privileged kids.

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Who was taught the US won the Vietnam War?

Unlike WWI and WWII where we spent weeks reviewing each, I think we skimmed over the Vietnam War in 1 hour, summarizing we pulled out victoriously.   Mind you, that was back in 1980ish when we didn't have other media outlets telling us otherwise.  We also did not recognize Ho Chi Mihn City as their capital.  We only knew of Saigon as being the capital of South Vietnam.   The sad thing of it all is that we lost countless soldiers and Vietnam probably ended up better off as they are a united, moderately socialist country, that is growing in a mildly prosperous manner.

Oh, we spent most of our history class studying how the North kicked the South's [BLEEP] in the Civil War.

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From the article, "It was devastating,” high school student Alexandro Valdez, 16, said of the proposal. “A politician was saying my dreams weren’t worth funding.”" Emphasis is mine. 

Dreams are those things you work on while you live in the real world getting a degree that actually earns you a living so you can fund those dreams. If your dream happens to be that degree that earns you a living that makes you a productive member of society, that's great.

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