Even if we do have a 9 win season, if that doesn't translate to a division title or a wild card spot, Gus should be fired. Caldwell deserves a extension.

5-11 to 9-7 is a swing worthy of saving any coach's job. Also, firing your head coach is admitting failure...why would Caldwell be given an extension because he admitted failure?

 

I think the Jags are a playoff team, if only because they're in the hapless AFC South. Given another year for the offense and defense to mature, this is a deep playoff contender going forward. I still don't know that Bradley's the guy, and if he's not, we should know by midseason.

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Those paragraphs...


Bklyn, the new punching bag. At least no one can say he can't absorb the hits.

Success is assessed based on how you perform, or relative to the output of others, no? I've seen more incredulous assertions.


On Bradley, convo illiciting topic, but to me, it's not about a targeted # of wins but the overall quality of play, and direction of the team by season's end. Surely, prime pieces are being assembled on D, but there's meshing to come, test of will in adversities, and overall evolution of the team as a unit. I am rooting for him.

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Success is a journey, not a destination.  Go all out Mighty Jaguars.

That said, chiming in with Bender, you are in the south (see, comparison to others), go take the dang division and make Jville truly relevant again in foozball.

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Success is a journey, not a destination.  Go all out Mighty Jaguars.

Even if we do have a 9 win season, if that doesn't translate to a division title or a wild card spot, Gus should be fired. Caldwell deserves a extension.

That's an extremely black and white way to look at it. There could be any number of things that go right or wrong. I think we'll know a good team when we see it and thats what I'm looking forward to. For you it's just "he better, or else". That's a very narrow view, imo

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If Gus can reach 9 wins, yes his job is safe!! Even if he squeak out 8 wins i think he good... The real question, is he a good enough coach to get the jags to that plateau? He havent shown us anything! People give this man every excuse in the world without judging whether or not he is truly a good coach...


I do believe the team will be better.. But i dont think it will be because of Gus... I hope he proves me wrong tho.

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I heard that the best coach this team ever had is looking for work. Wouldn't that be something?

The only place he should be looking to go is the nursing home.

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Judy won't have that


Speaking of bosses wives, Tom's is Judy, Jack's is Linda (if I recall). Never seen or heard any quips from the current 1st lady. Who is she? Hopefully not Competitia.


I am done for the day. Bon soir mes amis.

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Success is a journey, not a destination.  Go all out Mighty Jaguars.

They have those in the Atl and it doesn't work there either.

They do?

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The only place he should be looking to go is the nursing home.

Whatever, hes got a solid decade left on the sidelines in him.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

They do?

Yes.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Yes.

Uhhhh

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Yo Boy,

 

What excuses have I offered for Bradley, other than he hasn't had the talent?

 

Talent is a pretty big factor in coaching success, wouldn't you say?

 

Let's put this another way.  Name me the least talented team to win the Super Bowl, in your estimation.

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!

Whatever, hes got a solid decade left on the sidelines in him.

The spirit is willing but the body is weak .

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Yo Boy,


What excuses have I offered for Bradley, other than he hasn't had the talent?


Talent is a pretty big factor in coaching success, wouldn't you say?


Let's put this another way. Name me the least talented team to win the Super Bowl, in your estimation.

Ok .. Thats fair if you wanna say talent.. Others use more then just that excuse... And of course talent is important.. Im giving u that ...



And Tampa in 03 is the most recent team i can think of ...

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Those paragraphs...


Bklyn, the new punching bag. At least no one can say he can't absorb the hits.

Success is assessed based on how you perform, or relative to the output of others, no? I've seen more incredulous assertions.


On Bradley, convo illiciting topic, but to me, it's not about a targeted # of wins but the overall quality of play, and direction of the team by season's end. Surely, prime pieces are being assembled on D, but there's meshing to come, test of will in adversities, and overall evolution of the team as a unit. I am rooting for him.

i agree 6 to 9 an he could stay ur goin to throw ints see arrant snaps stupid sacks etc things like this happen but are we consistently putting ourselves in positions to win whether we win or not is the gameplans working an if they're not are the proper adjustments bein made this will not come down to simply wins an loses no matter how many people want Bradley's head

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Kelly's offense and Bradley's defense are the same gimmicky crap that should get a coach fired.

 

FLsportsgod,

 

What's gimmicky about the Jaguars' defensive scheme?

 

A scheme that needs a roster full of pro bowlers to be succesful is a gimmick.

 

Yo Boy said the least talented Super Bowl team he can recall is the 2002-03 Bucs that won the Super Bowl, so I'll address this answer to both of you but for different reasons, since he acknowledged talent is a huge factor in coaching success.

 

That Bucs team had two Hall of Fame inductees (Warren Sapp, Derrick Brooks), one Hall of Fame Finalist(John Lynch-9 career Pro Bowls), another 3 time Pro Bowler (Simeon Rice), another Pro Bowler in LB Shelton Quarles, and Ronde Barber, who made five pro bowls and was a 3 time first team All Pro CB.  That's just on defense.  On the offensive side of the ball, that Bucs team boasted WR Keenan McCardell (you remember him, don't you), Keyshawn Johnson (3 time Pro Bowler), and Mike Alstott, a six time Pro Bowler and 3 time 1st team All Pro.  Considering QB Brad Johnson also made the Pro Bowl that year, that team had at least TEN (10) one time or more Pro Bowlers on that team.

 

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/te...roster.htm

 

I submit to you, Yo Boy, that Tampa team was more talented than you may have realized.

 

As for Flsportsgod, while Gruden won the Super Bowl with that Tampa team, most acknowledge Dungy was the architect of that team, as he had been the coach immediately before Gruden's arrival,and Gruden won the Super Bowl his first year with the Bucs. They kept the same defensive scheme-philosophy.  Was the scheme gimmicky?

 

Now perhaps that is an aberration because that defense was absolutely loaded.  Maybe it was gimmicky.

 

How did he do with Indy?

 

His Super Bowl winning team there had at least four defenders who would make the Pro Bowl at least once in that scheme:  Freeney, Mathis, and Antoine Bethea.  Oh yeah...they also had some guy who couldn't stay healthy named Bob Sanders.

 

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/te...roster.htm

 

Granted, that team was horrible defensively for most of that Super Bowl winning season, but after we put up 375 yards on them, that defense started playing much better, and actually played at a high level in the playoffs that year.  Dungy stayed with the Colts until 2008.  The year AFTER they won the Super Bowl, the Colts finished first in scoring defense and 3rd in yards allowed. They added a healthy Bob Sanders, who made Pro Bowl and All Pro twice in his short career.

 

Did his defense become more gimmicky, or did talent have anything to do with it?

 

Thus far, Bradley hasn't worked with anywhere near the talent Dungy did with Tampa or Indy.  Poz has made one pro bowl in his career, as has Marks (here in Jacksonville as an alternate).  Dungy's teams in Tampa and Indy had studs on at least two levels of the defense and pass rushing catalysts.  Bradley hasn't had that here.  Only now can we begin to even entertain the thought (at best) Bradley has anything remotely close to what Dungy had to work with.

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I'm of the opinion that given what Bradley has had to work with while here, he has clearly been 'hamstrung'. This is not to say that he's been faultless; but I think the main impediment to having a better win/loss record has been the overall lack of talent on the field. We saw the team starting to turn the corner in that respect on offense last season. With the improvments we now have on defense ( at least on paper...) this could translate into a much better season than we've previously experienced with Bradley as HC. I don't see us as super bowl contenders yet, nor would I even expect us to go very deep in the playoffs (if we were to get in). I do however think that we've enough talent on the field (on paper) on both side of the ball now that we should be able to reach a 'benchmark' level of at least an 8-8 record this season.

 

I would sugest that if the team fails to reach 8-8 then there is almost no choice but to take a hard look at the HC. Given what Khan has said about his expectation for this season, anything less than a .500 season would probably be grounds for letting Gus Bradley go... certainly at the end of the season and even possibly during the season if it becomes apparent early on we're not doing well.

 

I would be hard pressed to believe that we would not have a better record this season however... outside the possibility of catastrophic injuries taking place. I've not ever been on the Gus Bradley bandwagon. His 'cheerleader' mentality doesn't appeal to me at all as a fan. However, it would be unfair to cut him until he's been given a decent chance to show everyone what he can do given the tools to work with. An 8-8 record (or better) and he should stay here longer; another losing season (especially given the improved talent on the field now) and he should be shown the door.

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Yo Boy said the least talented Super Bowl team he can recall is the 2002-03 Bucs that won the Super Bowl, so I'll address this answer to both of you but for different reasons, since he acknowledged talent is a huge factor in coaching success.


That Bucs team had two Hall of Fame inductees (Warren Sapp, Derrick Brooks), one Hall of Fame Finalist(John Lynch-9 career Pro Bowls), another 3 time Pro Bowler (Simeon Rice), another Pro Bowler in LB Shelton Quarles, and Ronde Barber, who made five pro bowls and was a 3 time first team All Pro CB. That's just on defense. On the offensive side of the ball, that Bucs team boasted WR Keenan McCardell (you remember him, don't you), Keyshawn Johnson (3 time Pro Bowler), and Mike Alstott, a six time Pro Bowler and 3 time 1st team All Pro. Considering QB Brad Johnson also made the Pro Bowl that year, that team had at least TEN (10) one time or more Pro Bowlers on that team.

<a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/tam/2002_roster.htm'>http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/tam/2002_roster.htm</a>


I submit to you, Yo Boy, that Tampa team was more talented than you may have realized.


As for Flsportsgod, while Gruden won the Super Bowl with that Tampa team, most acknowledge Dungy was the architect of that team, as he had been the coach immediately before Gruden's arrival,and Gruden won the Super Bowl his first year with the Bucs. They kept the same defensive scheme-philosophy. Was the scheme gimmicky?


Now perhaps that is an aberration because that defense was absolutely loaded. Maybe it was gimmicky.


How did he do with Indy?


His Super Bowl winning team there had at least three defenders who would make the Pro Bowl at least once in that scheme: Freeney, Mathis, and Antoine Bethea.

<a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/clt/2006_roster.htm'>http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/clt/2006_roster.htm</a>


Granted, that team was horrible defensively for most of that Super Bowl winning season, but after we put up 375 yards on them, that defense started playing much better, and actually played at a high level in the playoffs that year. Dungy stayed with the Colts until 2008. The year AFTER they won the Super Bowl, the Colts finished first in scoring defense and 3rd in yards allowed. They added Bob Sanders, who made Pro Bowl and All Pro twice in his short career.


Did his defense become more gimmicky, or did talent have anything to do with it?


Thus far, Bradley hasn't worked with anywhere near the talent Dungy did with Tampa or Indy. Poz has made one pro bowl in his career, as has Marks (here in Jacksonville as an alternate). Dungy's teams in Tampa and Indy had studs on at least two levels of the defense and pass rushing catalysts. Bradley hasn't had that here.

not taking away from anything u said but after we put up 375 Bob Sanders came back an single handily won them a sb had he not been made of glass he made that defense a completely different animal I know this prolly isn't the place to show love for Bobby but when he wasn't on the field that defense was absolutely terrible

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not taking away from anything u said but after we put up 375 Bob Sanders came back an single handily won them a sb had he not been made of glass he made that defense a completely different animal I know this prolly isn't the place to show love for Bobby but when he wasn't on the field that defense was absolutely terrible

Sanders was an absolute beast.  No denying that.  When he was on the field and healthy, you could make the argument he was the best, most physical SS in the game.

 

But that also goes to support my point that talent dictates performance.  When significant talent was not on the field for Indy, their defense suffered.

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I'm of the opinion that given what Bradley has had to work with while here, he has clearly been 'hamstrung'. This is not to say that he's been faultless; but I think the main impediment to having a better win/loss record has been the overall lack of talent on the field. We saw the team starting to turn the corner in that respect on offense last season. With the improvments we now have on defense ( at least on paper...) this could translate into a much better season than we've previously experienced with Bradley as HC. I don't see us as super bowl contenders yet, nor would I even expect us to go very deep in the playoffs (if we were to get in). I do however think that we've enough talent on the field (on paper) on both side of the ball now that we should be able to reach a 'benchmark' level of at least an 8-8 record this season.

 

I would sugest that if the team fails to reach 8-8 then there is almost no choice but to take a hard look at the HC. Given what Khan has said about his expectation for this season, anything less than a .500 season would probably be grounds for letting Gus Bradley go... certainly at the end of the season and even possibly during the season if it becomes apparent early on we're not doing well.

 

I would be hard pressed to believe that we would not have a better record this season however... outside the possibility of catastrophic injuries taking place... However, it would be unfair to cut him until he's been given a decent chance to show everyone what he can do given the tools to work with. An 8-8 record (or better) and he should stay here longer; another losing season (especially given the improved talent on the field now) and he should be shown the door.

We are in lockstep agreement here.

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!