Name one current Jaguars player who fits that description.

No one said anything like that.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Here's my perspective.   There are no shortcuts.   Everyone likes to use shortcuts, such as "never draft a Wisconsin RB."   Or, "Let's just draft players from the SEC."  That's just a way of avoiding doing the hard work of evaluating the players and projecting them into the NFL.   Whether a RB had a good offensive line or a bad offensive line, whether a QB played on a good team or a bad team, whether a DB had good D-linemen in front of him or not, whether a guy comes from a small school or a big school, too often we use those things to make mental rules that eliminate players from consideration.   It's like, well, TJ Yeldon had a good offensive line at Alabama, and we use that fact against him.   But that is irrelevant.   A scout has to watch him play and decide if he has the skill set to project into the NFL.  

 

That's my point.   You can't use statistics, or rules of thumb, as shortcuts.    You have to do the work.   Watch film.   Sometimes, a 2-yard run is more impressive than a 10 yard run.   An incomplete pass can be more impressive than an 80 yard TD.   You have to watch and see what actually happened on the field.   Not just the result.  Not just the resulting stat.  You have to watch the play. 

 

Message board participants have to use shortcuts, of course.   Because we don't have the time or resources to do what scouts do.   But for gosh sakes, I hope we have just a little bit of humility about this stuff.   I read another post this morning where someone said they were "extremely upset" last year when we drafted Yeldon in the 2nd round.   For gosh sakes, how arrogant can a person be, to be "extremely upset" over a 2nd round pick?  

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Here's my perspective.   There are no shortcuts.   Everyone likes to use shortcuts, such as "never draft a Wisconsin RB."   Or, "Let's just draft players from the SEC."  That's just a way of avoiding doing the hard work of evaluating the players and projecting them into the NFL.   Whether a RB had a good offensive line or a bad offensive line, whether a QB played on a good team or a bad team, whether a DB had good D-linemen in front of him or not, whether a guy comes from a small school or a big school, too often we use those things to make mental rules that eliminate players from consideration.   It's like, well, TJ Yeldon had a good offensive line at Alabama, and we use that fact against him.   But that is irrelevant.   A scout has to watch him play and decide if he has the skill set to project into the NFL.  

 

That's my point.   You can't use statistics, or rules of thumb, as shortcuts.    You have to do the work.   Watch film.   Sometimes, a 2-yard run is more impressive than a 10 yard run.   An incomplete pass can be more impressive than an 80 yard TD.   You have to watch and see what actually happened on the field.   Not just the result.  Not just the resulting stat.  You have to watch the play. 

 

Message board participants have to use shortcuts, of course.   Because we don't have the time or resources to do what scouts do.   But for gosh sakes, I hope we have just a little bit of humility about this stuff.   I read another post this morning where someone said they were "extremely upset" last year when we drafted Yeldon in the 2nd round.   For gosh sakes, how arrogant can a person be, to be "extremely upset" over a 2nd round pick?  

 

 

Very well thought out post!

 

And I do agree with you on the "no shortcuts" statement. Like Ketchman used to say quite often "you find football players where you find football players."

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I'm trying to make myself more informed and less opinionated.

Stop saying whatever stupid thing you're talking about and pay attention to all the interesting things I have to say!

Marty you actually got me LOL on the "no Wisconsin RBs" part. Yes, it is a shortcut, and in fact I wanted Montee Ball. As fans, we have a hard time seeing the whole picture like NFL scouts and GMs do. That is why MB posters jump to these silly conclusions.

 

When doing homework on one player, it is important to look at everyone else. Is the RB unable to find holes because his OL sucks or the opponent's DL is that good? You can't just look at one player.

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