OK fine. Let's ASSUME the Browns would take our 2nd round pick for Joe Thomas, and we had already signed Alex Mack. Then would you do the deal?


I know it's weird, but I kinda want both of those guys or neither of them. I'm not the GM though, so I'm allowed to be crazy like that.

 

I would vote for neither. Our second round pick is 38 or 39. The only player worth a second round pick is a draft prospect.

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Neither for me as well

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No me gusta. Mack is donezo, at least at the level he was playing at before this year, and Thomas doesn't have much left. Use the money and the picks on long-term guys, not one-year Band-aids that, in Mack's case, may not be much better than the guy he's replacing.

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No me gusta. Mack is donezo, at least at the level he was playing at before this year, and Thomas doesn't have much left. Use the money and the picks on long-term guys, not one-year Band-aids that, in Mack's case, may not be much better than the guy he's replacing.

Agreed. The Jaguars are trying to build a team to stand the test of time. The "Go All In" method of signing a bunch of stopgap vets works for teams like Denver who've been living like that forever, but not for teams that have already committed to building in the draft like Jacksonville. This is what destroyed the Eagles' promising "Dream Team"

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THERE IS A SKELETON INSIDE OF YOU.

 

RIGHT NOW. THIS IS NOT A JOKE.

No thanks. Wiz was just as good as Mack last year outside of the fluky bad snaps.

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The Browns won't come off of Joe Thomas for anything less than a first. Joe has a year or two left in him.


Alex Mack will be overpaid by someone and is damaged goods. He got ragdolled far too often this season and made some really dumb mistakes. Mack would step on the left guard's foot while trying to chip their man. As a result, the LG would be off balance and get put on their [BAD WORD REMOVED]. He did it to Bitonio and later Cam Erving. It was horrible.

Not sure about the statement in bold.

 

IIRC, they were willing to deal him to Denver for a low 1st round pick, but then Denver balked at the deal. 

 

A high enough 2, with maybe a later pick thrown in, might be enough to get it done considering he wants out and he is a year older.

 

As for Mack, I've made inquiries to Browns fans about his performance in 2015.  The consensus is that he started off poorly, identifying many of the things you do here, but then his play picked up in the second half of the year, and more resembled the Mack they knew.  A theory is that he was still recuperating from the broken leg.  Some said they would welcome him back if he decided to return, but they are resigned to lose him.

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!

I didn't see a marked improvement in him at the end of the year. I certainly didn't see a player worth the kind of scratch Mack will be asking. He will con some team into paying him way too much for his services on his farewell tour.

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There were several teams who thought they would be in contention who were offered a first at the trade deadline for Joe but he made it impossible to iron out the details. If they decide to move him out in the off season, a team will offer a late first rounder.

Sticking with Wiz and drafting a mid round center is a sensible option. Overpaying Mack to get the same or potentially worse results than Wiz is mind blowing.

 

How is re-signing a free agent, Wiz, that was an inferior blocker with multiple bad snaps a sensible option for a team that is trying to improve?  Wiz is not the answer.  A mid round center is fine if you plan to have him start years from now; you can't rely on a mid round pick to be an immediate quality starter.  I don't see the Jags using an early draft pick on a center with their defensive needs likely to be prioritized.  The sensible options are either to acquire a center with experience in free agency (not named Wiz), or to move a player such as Cann to center and fill in the guard spot. 

 

To the original post, although not a likely scenario, Mack and Thomas would be a significant upgrade to what we played with this past season.  I have not watched Mack close enough, but several Cleveland-based reports indicate he did play well towards the end of the season, likely finally getting past his leg injury. The Jags created the current $8m per season contract that he is operating under.  Now 2 years older and with the leg injury possibly affecting his play to some degree going forward, I don't think you would need to acquire him with a $10m per season figure.  I think the $8m number will do it, if he wants to play here.  In regards to Thomas, if it would take a 1st or high 2nd round pick to acquire his 3 years roughly $10m per season remaining contract from Cleveland, I would not do it, as I don't want to use that high of a pick for a 3 year patch.  If the LOT position is being targeted for an upgrade, I would rather go after Tunsil or Stanley with the high pick and have them for a career.     

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How is re-signing a free agent, Wiz, that was an inferior blocker with multiple bad snaps a sensible option for a team that is trying to improve?  Wiz is not the answer.  A mid round center is fine if you plan to have him start years from now; you can't rely on a mid round pick to be an immediate quality starter.  I don't see the Jags using an early draft pick on a center with their defensive needs likely to be prioritized.  The sensible options are either to acquire a center with experience in free agency (not named Wiz), or to move a player such as Cann to center and fill in the guard spot. 

 

The RG spot is already filled. A.J. Cann needs to move to the left side and replace Zane Beadles when we get Brandon Linder back.

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Keeping Wiz and getting a draft pick to start or become your starter later on is much more reasonable than just throwing a significant amount of money at an inferior center just because the name is familiar.

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They're saying Hue Jackson will convince Joe Thomas to end his career in Cleveland.

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Marks had a terrible season coming off injury, but he is on our team, so he will be just fine. 

 

Mack had a terrible season coming off injury, but he isn't on our team, so he is done. Career over.

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Marks had a terrible season coming off injury, but he is on our team, so he will be just fine.


Mack had a terrible season coming off injury, but he isn't on our team, so he is done. Career over.

I follow the Browns as much as I do the Jags. This isn't some random observation from someone who wasn't watching him play. He is a shell of himself.

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They're saying Hue Jackson will convince Joe Thomas to end his career in Cleveland.

I wouldn't hate seeing him play the rest of his career in Cleveland. However, I could see the analytics dorks making personnel decisions coming to the conclusion that they should cut bait.

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I'd rather not scrape crap off the mountain that is the Browns.

If L.Bo hasn't given the team confidence in moving forward with him, draft Ryan Kelly in the second.

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Keeping Wiz and getting a draft pick to start or become your starter later on is much more reasonable than just throwing a significant amount of money at an inferior center just because the name is familiar.

 

Translated:  Keeping the garbage OC and line play that we had this year for next season is fine.   

 

....I guess this is where you and I differ.  I am not content to have the same inferior center, the captain of the line, that was just above poor this season.  I do believe Mack is a better center than Wiz, but a free agent replacement in my mind does not need to be named Mack (nor one of name recognition).  Prisco mentioned moving Cann to center and signing Osemele, also a better option and upgrade than retaining the current flop named Wiz.  In terms of using money to upgrade weaknesses in the roster, I am all for it; there is no category that I am aware of to get you in the playoffs for spending the least amount of money.     

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I'd take Mack all day. We have a ridiculous amount of cap space. We can afford to overpay for a center. Now, $10 mill/year is a little absurd. Is that what he would ask for you think?

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Marks had a terrible season coming off injury, but he is on our team, so he will be just fine. 

 

Mack had a terrible season coming off injury, but he isn't on our team, so he is done. Career over.

Marks played well when he came back from ACL and got a new injury.

 

I didn't watch a lot of Cleveland ball... but I haven't heard anything good.

And while Marks may not return to form, we have other pieces in place on the Dline.

Oline, especially C is tricky. Needs to be good, for Bortles, and for the young guards he'll be next to.

 

If Mack has looked shaky and is now 2 years older....

Why would he be a better option that Wiz, L.Bo, or Ryan Kelly from Bama?

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Marks had a terrible season coming off injury, but he is on our team, so he will be just fine. 

 

Mack had a terrible season coming off injury, but he isn't on our team, so he is done. Career over.

Marks is already getting paid what he's getting paid so we don't have a choice. To get Mack to opt out of his extremely lucrative Browns contract we would have to give him yet another raise in what will be his age 30 season. 

 

Do we want to give out the biggest center contract in history to a guy who is now over 30 coming off a very average season, just for the hope that he can return to the form he had when he was 28? There's a whole lot of downside without much upside if you go about treating free agency in that way.

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Translated: Keeping the garbage OC and line play that we had this year for next season is fine.

You infer a lot. I am sure your husband can do no right.


I guess saying that drafting a replacement for Wiz implies that I am super duper happy with last year's line play?

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