I can agree to a point, but when Ohio State's qb is busted for dui, aka the cop is there is anything he can do because he is their qb, and only gets one game, you're setting yourself up for embarrassment.


The NCAA is picking and choosing when schools can self regulate ands they are allowing the guys whose jobs depends on winning to make those decisions. Do you really think those guys are going to make the right choices? Urban Meyer never has.

You are dense. You agree with hostiletakeovers point and then argue against it completely.

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That's not true about the weed. Under Chump, Florida had a number of guys fail NCAA tests. Purifoy and Roberson being the main culprits. They failed at least 2 tests each. The most they ever got was a one game suspension.

 


As the poster stated above, those tests were university drug tests. Those tests were not given by the NCAA. If they were NCAA tests, those two would have been suspended one year like everyone before them.


 

Instead of taking an over the counter supplement to get stronger, he should have used his girlfriend as a punching bag.  That way he could get ripped just like a boxer but only suffer a one or two game suspension since beating women doesnt really matter.

This is the NCAAs mission statement: Core Purpose: Our purpose is to govern competition in a fair, safe, equitable and sportsmanlike manner, and to integrate intercollegiate athletics into higher education so that the educational experience of the student-athlete is paramount.


The NCAAs job is not, and never has been, to monitor and oversee every aspect of student-athletes lives. I'm sure we all agree beating women, doing drugs, and drinking while driving is wrong. However, it is not the NCAAs job to hand out punishment. If someone beats a woman and only gets a 1-game suspension, complain to the school. Since beating a woman does not fall under the NCAAs duty to "govern completion in a fair, safe, equitable and sportsmanlike manner", do not expect them to punish such behavior.

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New signature because HIGH SCORE found the periodic table offensive. Pathetic LOL

I don't advocate rape or the abuse of women. Do you?

"What is with all this silliness from Gator fans?"


I'm simply pointing it that instead of clumping every fan into a broad point, you should think about your teams history and what some of your fans have said in the past.

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"What is with all this silliness from Gator fans?"


I'm simply pointing it that instead of clumping every fan into a broad point, you should think about your teams history and what some of your fans have said in the past.

You could expect the same type of comment from me in that situation. I don't understand why people make light of rape, domestic abuse or even dui's.

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As the poster stated above, those tests were university drug tests. Those tests were not given by the NCAA. If they were NCAA tests, those two would have been suspended one year like everyone before them.


 

This is the NCAAs mission statement: Core Purpose: Our purpose is to govern competition in a fair, safe, equitable and sportsmanlike manner, and to integrate intercollegiate athletics into higher education so that the educational experience of the student-athlete is paramount.


The NCAAs job is not, and never has been, to monitor and oversee every aspect of student-athletes lives. I'm sure we all agree beating women, doing drugs, and drinking while driving is wrong. However, it is not the NCAAs job to hand out punishment. If someone beats a woman and only gets a 1-game suspension, complain to the school. Since beating a woman does not fall under the NCAAs duty to "govern completion in a fair, safe, equitable and sportsmanlike manner", do not expect them to punish such behavior.

 

I dont really care what the NCAA says their job is.  If they wanted to discourage domestic violence they could.  And they could make it part of their mission statement   It's not as though they were forced into that mission and must abide by it.  But they've chosen to hand that responsibility to the individual schools.  And instead force a somewhat severe and very black/white ruling on performance enhancing drugs... which btw is a risk that only impacts the player who decides to use them.  And affects no one else.  Unlike domestic violence.

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Lol....he was accused of rape. What I said was factually correct.


To this day, he was still ACCUSED of rape. You prong wrongfully accused changes nothing.


Him being stupid enough to do that in the student union does show his immaturity and stupidity. It was great when you said to kick him out off school when that happened. ....

Ok so you can't curse now? That's a crime ? Dang then every jag fan around my section should be in prison. Get real, was he immature? Sure. Did he cheat ? No. Will is being punished for cheating and frankly the team is lucky wins weren't vacated as a result.

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I dont really care what the NCAA says their job is.  If they wanted to discourage domestic violence they could.  And they could make it part of their mission statement   It's not as though they were forced into that mission and must abide by it.  But they've chosen to hand that responsibility to the individual schools.  And instead force a somewhat severe and very black/white ruling on performance enhancing drugs... which btw is a risk that only impacts the player who decides to use them.  And affects no one else.  Unlike domestic violence.

I get the issue.  Theoretically, an athlete can face immediate suspension for merely receiving a few hamburger from a booster, yet continue playing while charged with a felony.  

 

The solution is a simple one.  In NCAA vs. Tarkanian, the courts gave the NCAA unfettered power.  Unless the Supreme Court overturns or distinguishes Tarkanian, the NCAA will continue to have free reign and unfettered power to adopt and enforce its bylaws on its member institutions.  In the past, the NCAA has shown if there is no rule, there is no violation.  If there is a rule, there is a violation.  Therefore, under its powers in NCAA vs. Tarkanian, the NCAA could adopt a new NCAA Student-Athlete Code of Conduct that applies to all its member institutions.  Violations of this new NCAA Student-Athlete Code of Conduct will result in immediate disciplinary action.  Violations would be categorized into levels.  Level One Misdemeanors, ex. buying alcohol underage, disorderly conduct, etc., would result in a suspension of 10-25% of NCAA authorized athletic contests.  Level Two Serious Misdemeanors, ex. DUIs, assault, drug possession, etc., would result in a suspension from 50% of athletic contests.  Level Three Felonies, ex. any felonies regardless of its nature, would result in an immediate suspension and immediate dismissal from the team.

 

The problem is that the NCAA, member Universities, coaches, athletes, pretty much everyone does not want the NCAA involved in these issues.

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New signature because HIGH SCORE found the periodic table offensive. Pathetic LOL

Ok so you can't curse now? That's a crime ? Dang then every jag fan around my section should be in prison. Get real, was he immature? Sure. Did he cheat ? No. Will is being punished for cheating and frankly the team is lucky wins weren't vacated as a result.

Where do you come up with this stuff? A crime to curse, when did that come into the discussion? You really need to read before you respond. You obviously have no clue what he and I were discussing.


You're quickly becoming impossible to have a discussion with and I'm ok with that. Easier to find the rational people here.

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Ok so you can't curse now? That's a crime ? Dang then every jag fan around my section should be in prison. Get real, was he immature? Sure. Did he cheat ? No. Will is being punished for cheating and frankly the team is lucky wins weren't vacated as a result.

 

Very curious as to why that hasn't been brought up more often. 

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Where do you come up with this stuff? A crime to curse, when did that come into the discussion? You really need to read before you respond. You obviously have no clue what he and I were discussing.


You're quickly becoming impossible to have a discussion with and I'm ok with that. Easier to find the rational people here.

I'm sorry you're having trouble keeping up. Sometimes when you talk to someone more intelligent than you are you can have a lot of trouble following along in the conversation, which is very understandable with you. I'd explain my rebuttal to you , but frankly it's a waste of time. Carry on UF knight.

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Very curious as to why that hasn't been brought up more often. 

Why would it? It has never been part of the equation for the NCAA.

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I dont really care what the NCAA says their job is.  If they wanted to discourage domestic violence they could.  And they could make it part of their mission statement   It's not as though they were forced into that mission and must abide by it.  But they've chosen to hand that responsibility to the individual schools.  And instead force a somewhat severe and very black/white ruling on performance enhancing drugs... which btw is a risk that only impacts the player who decides to use them.  And affects no one else.  Unlike domestic violence.

 

Their job is to protect the quality of the game; PEDs affect the game, none of that other stuff does. The schools have the right to police those other matters if they so choose.

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I honestly don't think any logical person wants the NCAA to monitor and get involved in ALL player activities. Their job is not to get involved in all non-competition issues. I don't think anyone would want the NCAA to get involved either. Universities are more equipped to mete out punishment, the NCAA doesn't have the manpower to oversee every aspects of student-athletes, and so on.


A DUI does not fall under the scope of college football's regulator. Will Grier cheated; his cheating affected the equity of the game; and cheating falls under the NCAA's authority. The two are not even closely comparable.

Cheated by taking something that is completely legal. Please.

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Im not a gator fan. But I am a fan of pointing out how ridiculous the NCAA is when handing out punishments.

Agreed. It's absurd.

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Cheated by taking something that is completely legal. Please.

Completely legal and also completely unregulated. A lot of that crap at gnc doesn't even list the ingredients.


There are supplements that have ingredients hidden in their "proprietary" blends.

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Coughlin when asked if winning will be a focus: "What the hell else is there? This is nice and dandy, but winning is what all this is about."

He didn't own up to crap he got caught cheating and cried like a baby after getting caught.

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Cheated by taking something that is completely legal. Please.

You think because it is OTC it is not cheating?? Haha I can name you HUNDREDS of athletes who got in trouble taking OTC supplements. Tell the many athletes who received lifetime bans, and the governing bodies that gave them, that taking OTC supplements isn't cheating.

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You think because it is OTC it is not cheating?? Haha I can name you HUNDREDS of athletes who got in trouble taking OTC supplements. Tell the many athletes who received lifetime bans, and the governing bodies that gave them, that taking OTC supplements isn't cheating.

Ok. Name hundreds of them then

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You think because it is OTC it is not cheating?? Haha I can name you HUNDREDS of athletes who got in trouble taking OTC supplements. Tell the many athletes who received lifetime bans, and the governing bodies that gave them, that taking OTC supplements isn't cheating.

The fact that they got in trouble doesn't change the fact that he doesn't believe it's cheating. The bigger picture argument he's making is that it shouldn't be illegal.

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What in the Wide Wide World of Sports is agoin' on here???

The fact that they got in trouble doesn't change the fact that he doesn't believe it's cheating. The bigger picture argument he's making is that it shouldn't be illegal.

Legal or at the very least more transparently regulated.

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Coughlin when asked if winning will be a focus: "What the hell else is there? This is nice and dandy, but winning is what all this is about."