I'll admit, I have bias against long snappers from BYU.

I have a huge bias against punters from Cal thanks to Gene Smith.

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"Before you criticize a man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, if he gets angry, he's a mile away and barefoot."

If the guy is hands down better than the rest of the field then my bias may change. Obviously it'll depend on the prospect but history has shown a way of repeating itself, albeit there may be an outlier or two.

Precisely.

 

That is the way I am viewing Coleman.  He is an aberration at Indiana.

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I can definitely understand having a little hesitation selecting a guy like Gordon for example because a couple of past Wisconsin RBs haven't done great in the NFL. I just don't understand how some people so far as to say they wouldn't select Gordon because of it. Being leery is one thing, blind is another.

 

I think it is akin to what the legal profession calls a "rebuttable presumption."

 

In the case of a school like Indiana...in my mind, the presumption is the guy can't play effectively at the NFL level. 

 

Now if I see some games, etc. that indicates some exceptional attributes, then the player may warrant an additional look, and even support for him.

 

If what I see is nothing special, then the presumption stands.

 

If there is a guy from a football factory...say USC...I am more inclined to think, absent any exceptional attributes that leap out to me watching him, he can play in the NFL than not.

 

In other words, the presumption is that he may be able to play and help a team.

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I have a huge bias against punters from Cal thanks to Gene Smith.

Don't let Gene ruin that for you. Cal is a punter factory

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Wouldn't a guy succeeding at a crappy school be more impressive than a guy succeeding at a top school. Indiana vs. USC.

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I can definitely understand having a little hesitation selecting a guy like Gordon for example because a couple of past Wisconsin RBs haven't done great in the NFL. I just don't understand how some people so far as to say they wouldn't select Gordon because of it. Being leery is one thing, blind is another.

Yeah it doesn't bother me that Gordon went to Wisconsin, it just bothers me that when he played there, he had one of the best OL in football blocking for him opening up huge lanes to run through. Makes it tough to evaluate how he'll do in the NFL.

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Even if you think Gordon had an easy route through opposition defensive lines (and you can't take all that away from him) you have to be impressed by the way he powered through the rest of the field.


I think he's highly rated because people recognise he would have been a good player behind any OLine.

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Even if you think Gordon had an easy route through opposition defensive lines (and you can't take all that away from him) you have to be impressed by the way he powered through the rest of the field.


I think he's highly rated because people recognise he would have been a good player behind any OLine.

But then I look at guys like John Clay, James White, and Monte Ball and they were able to have similar success behind an equally talented O-Line and offensive coaching staff. Gordon, at least in my opinion, didn't really separate himself from his predecessors.


Plus his name is Melvin. I mean really? Is that even a football name? :wacko: arcasm:

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"Before you criticize a man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, if he gets angry, he's a mile away and barefoot."

To me, with rare exceptions, Indiana players have always stunk.

 

Anthony Thompson was horrible, and I didn't like him then.

 

Vaughn Dunbar wasn't too much better.

 

  I gave this thought this afternoon.  No one in the last 40 years stands out as a player from the Indiana program who was even close to a Pro Bowl caliber player for an extended period.   Antwaan Randle El is one of the few Indiana players who even had his moments as a good NFL player,   Yet,  Randle El was more of a specialty/ gadget type of player.    The bar for Tevin Coleman to be the best NFL player from Indiana in the last 40 years doesn't seem high.    Barring the injury factor,  I expect Coleman to accomplish this.

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Don't let Gene ruin that for you. Cal is a punter factory

 

No team had more punters from Cal in recent years than the Jags.   But my guess is most of the Jags fans on this MB wish the number was zero than at least 2. 

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  I gave this thought this afternoon.  No one in the last 40 years stands out as a player from the Indiana program who was even close to a Pro Bowl caliber player for an extended period.   Antwaan Randle El is one of the few Indiana players who even had his moments as a good NFL player,   Yet,  Randle El was more of a specialty/ gadget type of player.    The bar for Tevin Coleman to be the best NFL player from Indiana in the last 40 years doesn't seem high.    Barring the injury factor,  I expect Coleman to accomplish this.

 

 

Oh so it wasn't just me being unreasonable against Indiana, eh?

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Oh so it wasn't just me being unreasonable against Indiana, eh?

It's still unreasonable.

If you scout him and you like him, you should draft him.

I agree that Indiana wouldn't be the first place I look for players simply because of their track record, but you still look.

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It's still unreasonable.

If you scout him and you like him, you should draft him.

I agree that Indiana wouldn't be the first place I look for players simply because of their track record, but you still look.

 

In Gene Smith's last post draft free agency class, he signed a guy from the Colorado School of Mines.

 

Remember that?

 

Lots of people chuckled at the signing.

 

Many others despised it.

 

Why do you think that is?

 

As to whether or not I looked, one of my earliest posts in this thread said he looks better than any other RB to come out of Indiana.

 

So tell me...how am I being unreasonable?

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Exactly.

 

Name a dominant DE or CB from Miami.

 

 

What about CB?

 

Duane Starks was average at best, and easily the worst player in that Ravens secondary in 2000.

 

Ryan McNeil? He had one season where he had a bunch of picks, because teams felt they could attack him.  He was NOT a shut down CB.

 

Do I knock Miami as a football program overall because of this?

 

 

 

Sam Shields in Green Bay is pretty good.

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Sam Shields in Green Bay is pretty good.

Pretty good...in fact you could argue he is the best Miami has produced at the position.

 

But it seems kinda odd to me that a school that can attract and produce the kind of football players it has over the years hasn't produced a true shut down CB.

 

it hasn't produced the dominant 3-4 OLB blitzing LB because until just recently they hadn't run much 3-4.  That I get.

 

But CB?

 

I don't get it.

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Tweet from Tony Pauline (@TonyPauline) - Jacksonville Jaguars, Indianapolis Colts and Arizona Cardinals have running back coaches on hand for Tevin Coleman's workout today.


https://twitter.com/TonyPauline/status/5...1564321792

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His 40 times should be in shortly.

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"Before you criticize a man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, if he gets angry, he's a mile away and barefoot."

Tweet from Tony Pauline (@TonyPauline) - Early word from workout of Tevin Coleman/RB/Indiana; consistent low 4.4's in the forty. Twenty two teams on hand...more as it comes in


https://twitter.com/TonyPauline/status/5...0306949120

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"Before you criticize a man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, if he gets angry, he's a mile away and barefoot."

Pretty good...in fact you could argue he is the best Miami has produced at the position.

 

But it seems kinda odd to me that a school that can attract and produce the kind of football players it has over the years hasn't produced a true shut down CB.

 

it hasn't produced the dominant 3-4 OLB blitzing LB because until just recently they hadn't run much 3-4.  That I get.

 

But CB?

 

I don't get it.

 

 

The concept of scouting a player by school is so absurd its amazing how many people still subscribe to it. Perhaps at one time, it applied when you have guys like Bowden and Paterno who was at the same university for decades on. Ok, in that case, I get it. That may happen again with Saban in Bama, fine.

 

But what's the point of labeling someone a "Miami CB" when that team has had so many different coaches, and thus differing schemes? Penn St was "Linebacker U". If there's a good LB from Penn St this draft, do you still consider him a "LB U" despite the university moving on from Paterno to O'Brien to Franklin?

 

"Florida Wide Receiver" was a thing back in the Spurrier days. But tell me, what does a wide receiver who played for Spurrier's Fun N Gun have anything in common with Meyer's spread offense? And Muschamps?

 

Absolutely nothing.

 

Scout the player, not the school. Just do your due diligence.

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4.35 and 4.40 40 yard dash for Coleman.


http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/raven...?track=rss

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