Firstly, I think BB is the kind of player who will work to get where he needs to be regardless of the situation.

As far as our staff goes, I look at it like this... last year around this time, people wanted Babich fired and were questioning Gus because the defense, with a completely new secondary and scheme, wasn't living up to what we wanted.

We waited a year and now have one of the best defenses in the NFL, certainly in the AFC. I would say we have the best defense in the AFC south, hands down. And why such drastic improvement? The young players grew in the system and we had patience.

This year it's almost the exact same story with the offense. We have ten new starters (basically 11 because Cecil gets injured a lot), all either rookies, second year guys, or Beadles. We are reinventing the offense to match Blake's strengths but the going is slow because of the aforementioned youth. These interceptions everybody freaks out about are the same thing as all the explosive plays our defense gave up last year (and has since limited), that being young players still learning their assignments.

I think if we have patience, This offense will bloom just like the defense. We have too much young talent not to.

But to answer your question, yes. I think they are what he needs. If I have any doubts it's with Fisch loving the screen, but once again we have to remember how young this offense is, and stay patient. My two cents, at least.

We dont have one of the best defenses in the league nor the AFC.

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Not that bad of a side by side for the first 8 weeks. but I still hope we see some improvement with the INTs

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:thanks: Extra Life 2016 is 11/05/16 :thanks:

We dont have one of the best defenses in the league nor the AFC.

Seriously. Not sure what that person is smoking. We are bottom 5 in ToP, Yards/Game, and Points/Game.

 

People love to talk about the sacks. Sure we're getting pressure. But people are running and throwing all over us and putting up big points.

 

Through the halfway point of this season....we are worse in terms of Yards/Game and Points/Game than last season. Sure we've had injuries. But you cant tell me that our current defensive starters arent more talented than last year's defense.

 

What progress have we made?

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So just a little statistical comparison so far. I think we can all agree Luck was surrounded by far more talent than Bortles has been (Reggie Wayne alone)

 

Bortles so far:

 

YPA: 6.9

TD's: 8

Ints:  14

YPG: 256.13

Rating: 72.2

 

Luck:

 

YPA: 7.0

TD's: 23

Ints: 18

YPG: 275.1

Rating: 76.5

 

I wonder what it would look like if they swapped teammates...

lol @ Luck being surrounded with "far more talent" as a rookie

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another notch in the belt of Caldwell

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lol @ Luck being surrounded with "far more talent" as a rookie

So you don't think a prime Reggie Wayne would improve Bortles?


Also the point of this post was that even the supposed most pro ready QB ever struggled as a rookie and made some shocking throws, so maybe give some slack from our raw small school QB who has shown way more ability than a jags QB has in the last decade.

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So you don't think a prime Reggie Wayne would improve Bortles?


Also the point of this post was that even the supposed most pro ready QB ever struggled as a rookie and made some shocking throws, so maybe give some slack from our raw small school QB who has shown way more ability than a jags QB has in the last decade.

lol @ reggie wayne being prime two years ago

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lol @ reggie wayne being prime two years ago

He had his 2nd most yards ever...

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Luck started all 4 years in college, right?  Blake started 2 . Luck was the starter going into training camp and started Game 1.  Blake got a few reps with the ones in camp and was thrown into a dumpster fire three games into the season.  Clearly Luck was more ready to play in his rookie season than Blake is.  

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No one with any sense would ever compare Bortles favorably with Luck.  Are you delusional?  I don't hear Tom Brady saying he wishes he could play the position like Blake Bortles.  Are you serious?  That's like comparing Mark Sanchez to Johnny Unitas or Joe Montana.  Mercy, I understand that you're a fan, but goodness gracious.  Have you actually watched Luck play the game?  Luck started from game one on a team that went 2-14 its previous year.  By week 8, he set the NFL record for most passing yards in a game by a rookie.  By week 9, he'd passed for more yards than Peyton Manning did as a rookie.  By week 14, he set the NFL record for the most victories by a rookie QB drafted number one.  By the end of the season, he set the NFL rookie record for passing yards.  He took a 2-14 team and led it to an 11-5 record and a spot in the playoffs, where his team lost to the Ravens, who eventually won the Super Bowl that season.  I don't know what more to say.  I'm speechless.  Bortles and Luck.  You have got to be kidding me.

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No one with any sense would ever compare Bortles favorably with Luck.  Are you delusional?  I don't hear Tom Brady saying he wishes he could play the position like Blake Bortles.  Are you serious?  That's like comparing Mark Sanchez to Johnny Unitas or Joe Montana.  Mercy, I understand that you're a fan, but goodness gracious.  Have you actually watched Luck play the game?  Luck started from game one on a team that went 2-14 its previous year.  By week 8, he set the NFL record for most passing yards in a game by a rookie.  By week 9, he'd passed for more yards than Peyton Manning did as a rookie.  By week 14, he set the NFL record for the most victories by a rookie QB drafted number one.  By the end of the season, he set the NFL rookie record for passing yards.  He took a 2-14 team and led it to an 11-5 record and a spot in the playoffs, where his team lost to the Ravens, who eventually won the Super Bowl that season.  I don't know what more to say.  I'm speechless.  Bortles and Luck.  You have got to be kidding me.

 

Go away 

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Just for fun... anyone have Bortles vs. Gabbert stats?  I will admit that I was SOMEWHAT of a Gabbert apologist until I saw that there was more to life.. I chalk it up to battered fan syndrome... LOL - just curious how the stats measure up after 6 -1/2 games?

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I don't care what stats say, even requesting a comparison between Bortles and Gabbert should be banworthy. Gabbert was the worst QB to ever play and the worst thing to happen to our Jags franchise.

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No one with any sense would ever compare Bortles favorably with Luck.  Are you delusional?  I don't hear Tom Brady saying he wishes he could play the position like Blake Bortles.  Are you serious?  That's like comparing Mark Sanchez to Johnny Unitas or Joe Montana.  Mercy, I understand that you're a fan, but goodness gracious.  Have you actually watched Luck play the game?  Luck started from game one on a team that went 2-14 its previous year.  By week 8, he set the NFL record for most passing yards in a game by a rookie.  By week 9, he'd passed for more yards than Peyton Manning did as a rookie.  By week 14, he set the NFL record for the most victories by a rookie QB drafted number one.  By the end of the season, he set the NFL rookie record for passing yards.  He took a 2-14 team and led it to an 11-5 record and a spot in the playoffs, where his team lost to the Ravens, who eventually won the Super Bowl that season.  I don't know what more to say.  I'm speechless.  Bortles and Luck.  You have got to be kidding me.

The Colts were 10-6 the year prior to going 2-14 because Manning was out.  The cupboard was full went Luck took over.  Comparing what Luck had to work with to what Bortles has to work with is a joke.  We get it..you don't like Bortles.

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@Haterade - it was meant in jest  - and also owning up to my own foolishness in the past... but if you would like to petition for me to be banned...I guess I will acquiesce...

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I'm guessing he's looking up the definition of "acquiesce"

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Just read an informative article titled " Ignore the Raw Numbers, Andrew Luck Had a Great Rookie Season", by Scott Kacsmar on Bleacher Report. It was written on Jan. 9th, 2013, right after Luck's 2012 rookie season. I tried to copy and paste the link, but it's not working. It's easy to find, though. Google "Andrew Luck's Rookie Season", and you'll find it.

 

It made me aware of several things that can be easily misconstrued by simply looking at raw statistics. Luck had a rather pedestrian season based on raw stats, and it's oversimplistic to compare those stats to Bortles and come to the conclusion that Bortles is on a trajectory to stardom.

 

For example, Luck lead the Colts to 7 game winning drives in the fourth quarter, a record. Although his pass completion percentage was average, a great majority of his throws were longer than 10 yards downfield. He was sacked and knocked down a lot, so his pass protection was sub-par. He had a probable hall of fame receiver, but the rest of his receivers were young and inexperienced. His running game was nothing to brag about.

 

A short excerpt from the article:

 

<p class="">"The Colts were 11-5, and the main reason surely was not dependent on:

• Offensive line—This disastrous unit was a source for constant pressure, as no quarterback was hit or hurried more in 2012 than Luck.
  
• Running game—Excluding Luck’s runs, the ground game produced 378 carries for 1,416 yards (3.75 yards per carry). Luck had one fewer rushing touchdown (five) than his backs combined.
  
• Receivers—While everyone knows about Reggie Wayne, this unit was filled with rookies and the Donnie Avery reclamation project. Unable to create much separation, Luck’s receivers generated 39.5 percent of his yards after the catch (YAC), which was below the league average.
  
• Defense—Allowed the most points (387) ever for a team with at least 11 wins in NFL history and ranked 23rd in points per drive allowed. The Colts tied the 2011 Steelers (12-4) for the fewest takeaways (15) ever by a team with at least 11 wins."
  

Read it and give your thoughts.

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RG3 was the most impressive QB in 2012, followed by Russell Wilson.  Of course RG3 has had his injury problems, and people say Wilson inherited a very good football team.  Luck is a really good QB, but I don't think he deserves all the hype and attention that he gets.  If RG3 was 100% healthy every year, I would take him in a heartbeat over Luck.  Imagine Wilson throwing to Reggie Wayne and TY Hilton...he'd be just as impressive.

 

Anyway, Bortles is often compared to Big Ben, and I see the similarities.  That's the best we can hope for really.

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Luck had Arians as OC and HC most of that year. Their HC was sidelined with Cancer and the team played well above and beyond their ability. When the new OC came in Lucks production as a passer dropped off and the clots became more of a running team.

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RG3 was the most impressive QB in 2012, followed by Russell Wilson. Of course RG3 has had his injury problems, and people say Wilson inherited a very good football team. Luck is a really good QB, but I don't think he deserves all the hype and attention that he gets. If RG3 was 100% healthy every year, I would take him in a heartbeat over Luck. Imagine Wilson throwing to Reggie Wayne and TY Hilton...he'd be just as impressive.


Anyway, Bortles is often compared to Big Ben, and I see the similarities. That's the best we can hope for really.

Deserve all the hype? You realize it's only his 3rd season right?

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