I can go on and on about how simple minded you are. Where do you think marriage came from? Please rebuttal me about how I'm a bible thumper homophobe...

 

hehehe @ "homophobic"....

 

 

Tetrisfungus
 
carpetnator
 
 
I can invent words too!

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Wow, this got ugly. Its not like TMD is espousing some off the wall concept, what he's saying is still the majority opinion in this country. Just because we are permitting a minority belief to become a cultural norm does not mean that we have to accept it as moral, especially when it directly contradicts a long standing religious norm. We tolerate in the real sense of the word, ie we permit you to make your own choice without endorsing it as proper or moral. The attacks on him show why we often DON'T tolerate such things; not only do you want to do it, you expect us to not only permit, but to approve in spite of our own beliefs that it's wrong and you pull out the ad homs when you dont get your way.

Opposition to same sex marriage is no longer the majority opinion. More people support same sex marriage than oppose it.

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Why do you try to force your beliefs on us like the rest of the liberal media?

Why do you attack TMD for having an honest opinion on the situation?

I can go on and on about how simple minded you are. Where do you think marriage came from? Please rebuttal me about how I'm a bible thumper homophobe...

I'm not forcing my belief on TMD or anyone.


I'm not understanding the viewpoint.


Why can't gay people marry each other? Why shouldn't they be married to who makes them happy?


I've never called anyone a bible thumper. I used the term once when someone else used it and even put it in quotes.


I'm the simple minded one here? I don't think so.

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When did I attack? TMD? He's the one throwing liberal around and trying to label people.


If anything he's done any attacking that's been done in this thread.

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As difficult as it obviously is to separate religion from this topic, do your best to do so.

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If something can corrupt you, you're corrupted already.
- Bob Marley


 

Without getting "religious", I'll just say this..


We're all individuals with individual ideals and opinions. As human beings, its our right to pick and choose how to live our lives to the best of our ability to create our own happiness.. Those who want to try and take those opinions and ideals away are those who keep ignorace relevant in todays society.

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Just as you think homosexuality isn't moral, we think that treating gays as different or bad isn't moral.

 

I think people should be allowed to smoke weed if they chose to. I, personally, don't smoke. I, personally, think don't like to support people smoking weed.

TMD thinks people should be allowed to marry the same sex if one chooses. TMD, personally, doesn't have interest in the same sex. TMD, personally, does not care to support same sex marriages.

 

Picking and choosing what you are tolerant of?

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Without getting "religious", I'll just say this..


We're all individuals with individual ideals and opinions. As human beings, its our right to pick and choose how to live our lives to the best of our ability to create our own happiness.. Those who want to try and take those opinions and ideals away are those who keep ignorace relevant in todays society.

 

If the rest of the liberals on this board felt this way, then TMD wouldn't be getting villainized for his "ideal and opinion" on same-sex marriage.

 

Why can't gay people marry each other? Why shouldn't they be married to who makes them happy?

 

 

 

Um...

 

 

 

Am I going to "live and let live"? Yep. If you want to get married to a person of the same sex, go ahead. 

 

 

But that isn't enough for you. Unless TMD feels the same way you do about same sex marriage, you will villainize him. Pretty rich, considering the liberal backbone is suppose to be tolerating different ideals/beliefs.

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Well...

 

 

<div>...the law did force that baker who was in opposition to gay marriage to make a wedding cake for a gay couple.
 
IMO, the private business reserved the right to not serve those customers if they didn't want to. Yet they were forced to. 
 
Not only that, but it was said that the gay couple targeted that specific place intentionally, knowing their religious beliefs, with the idea about taking them to court and forcing them to do so, premeditated. Thats seedy. 
 

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So should businesses be allowed to not serve someone because they are black?  

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If the rest of the liberals on this board felt this way, then TMD wouldn't be getting villainized for his "ideal and opinion" on same-sex marriage.

 

 

 

Um...

 

 

 

 

But that isn't enough for you. Unless TMD feels the same way you do about same sex marriage, you will villainize him. Pretty rich, considering the liberal backbone is suppose to be tolerating different ideals/beliefs.

 

 

DING DING DING DING!!!!!!! ^^^^

 

winner 

 

 

And thats how they are. 

 

You nailed it. 

 

 

Its not enough anymore for "equality"/ the right to marry. They want to dominate mindthink. 

 

THank you hailtoyourvictor. :thanks: 

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Wow, this got ugly. Its not like TMD is espousing some off the wall concept, what he's saying is still the majority opinion in this country. Just because we are permitting a minority belief to become a cultural norm does not mean that we have to accept it as moral, especially when it directly contradicts a long standing religious norm. We tolerate in the real sense of the word, ie we permit you to make your own choice without endorsing it as proper or moral. The attacks on him show why we often DON'T tolerate such things; not only do you want to do it, you expect us to not only permit, but to approve in spite of our own beliefs that it's wrong and you pull out the ad homs when you dont get your way.

 

Ugly?  Lol, I love when people just make things up.  It's been pretty civil.

 

Actually, polls indicate the majority are for same sex marriage.  Should do some research.  Between 53-55%.  This is why things are shifting just like weed.  

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If the rest of the liberals on this board felt this way, then TMD wouldn't be getting villainized for his "ideal and opinion" on same-sex marriage.

 

 

 

Um...

 

 

 

 

But that isn't enough for you. Unless TMD feels the same way you do about same sex marriage, you will villainize him. Pretty rich, considering the liberal backbone is suppose to be tolerating different ideals/beliefs.

 

Not at all.  This is a message board and people are sharing their different view points on same sex marriage.  

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DING DING DING DING!!!!!!! ^^^^

 

winner 

 

 

And thats how they are. 

 

You nailed it. 

 

 

Its not enough anymore for "equality"/ the right to marry. They want to dominate mindthink. 

 

THank you hailtoyourvictor. :thanks:

 

Again, I think most here have said same sex marriage should be allowed and also agree that a church should not be forced to marry someone if it goes against their beliefs.  Instead of just saying baseless things, at least provide examples how the majority in here want to dominate "mind think".

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DING DING DING DING!!!!!!! ^^^^


winner



And thats how they are.


You nailed it.



Its not enough anymore for "equality"/ the right to marry. They want to dominate mindthink.

THank you hailtoyourvictor. :thanks:

False.. You make up your own mind. If you want to follow the status quo, be my guest, that's your right to do so. But the very second you try and dictate someone else's life because it better suits your life, you're dead wrong.

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http://www.gallup.com/poll/117328/marriage.aspx.  And just to back up what I said earlier.  55% support is new high.  And the support will, IMO, continue to go higher.  Those opposing gay marriage will be more and more in the minority.  

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Again, I think most here have said same sex marriage should be allowed and also agree that a church should not be forced to marry someone if it goes against their beliefs.  Instead of just saying baseless things, at least provide examples how the majority in here want to dominate "mind think".

 

Baseless? It's really not baseless. I can go find dozens of instances on this forum alone that provide a solid base for that comment. The problem is, even if I went through and pointed them out to you, there would be excuses for spins for each and every one of them.

 

Let's start with The Eleventh Doctor stating that he thinks TMD's view on same sex marriage is immoral. I have no dog in this fight and can objectively say it appears that The Eleventh Doctor is policing TMD's ideals/beliefs.

 

If you can't see that, then it's pointless to bring forth other examples because you are choosing not to see what is in front of you.

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There seems to be some confusion among some here that criticism of one's stated view on a subject equals intolerance. You can tolerate a point of view while still disagreeing with it. You can even call it ignorant, stupid or any number of things. As long as you take no action to suppress it, you are tolerant.

 

The argument against same sex marriage that I've never understood is when someone says it devalues their own "traditional" marriage.

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If something can corrupt you, you're corrupted already.
- Bob Marley


 

False.. You make up your own mind. If you want to follow the status quo, be my guest, that's your right to do so. But the very second you try and dictate someone else's life because it better suits your life, you're dead wrong.

 

TMD is not judging you for your ideals/beliefs on same sex marriage.

TMD is being judged for not having those same ideals/beliefs.

 

Maybe not by you, but by others in this thread. There is a disconnect here that is absolutely baffling.

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Baseless? It's really not baseless. I can go find dozens of instances on this forum alone that provide a solid base for that comment. The problem is, even if I went through and pointed them out to you, there would be excuses for spins for each and every one of them.

 

Let's start with The Eleventh Doctor stating that he thinks TMD's view on same sex marriage is immoral. I have no dog in this fight and can objectively say it appears that The Eleventh Doctor is policing TMD's ideals/beliefs.

 

If you can't see that, then it's pointless to bring forth other examples because you are choosing not to see what is in front of you.

 

I disagree. TED is not saying TMD cannot hold that belief, nor is he taking any action to suppress TMD from holding that belief.

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If something can corrupt you, you're corrupted already.
- Bob Marley


 

There seems to be some confusion among some here that criticism of one's stated view on a subject equals intolerance. You can tolerate a point of view while still disagreeing with it. You can even call it ignorant, stupid or any number of things. As long as you take no action to suppress it, you are tolerant.

 

The argument against same sex marriage that I've never understood is when someone says it devalues their own "traditional" marriage.

 

Agree with the above.  I have no problem with someone disagreeing with same sex marriage.  I do have a problem with those who not only disagree, but want to force that view point into other people's lives.  

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