There's no one QB, so I don't believe there's one way to develop them. 

 

Sometimes, we like to believe that these GMs and scouts find all the great QBs. I wonder how many great QBs were never given a chance. Like someone else said, you have it or you don't. It's just a matter of finding the one's that do. 

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He's the guy a lot of folks are starting to mock as high as the first pick of the second round. I'm always skeptical of the "trendy" pick, but there are always last minute risers as reports leak out of who's falling for who.

I'm not high on him personally but he was my example because he's a guy who has the tool and showed flashes, just needs some "seasoning" as Caldwell puts it. I really agree that either you have it or you don't but I also know that most guys fail because they go to bad situations as well.


I doubt if Wilson came here he would take us to a championship because our team sucks. Very few qbs have that type of ability.

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“There’s entire classes of quarterbacks, since ’06, I went back and looked at from Jay’s on — when people say developmental quarterbacks, OK, so who has gotten developed? There isn’t a single quarterback after the third round since 2006 that has been a long-term starter. So you’re either developing thirds, and most of them have been wiped out of the league. So to get a quality quarterback, you’ve got to draft them high. That 2012 class is a blip on the radar that’s unusual, highly unusual.”

http://fansided.com/2014/05/04/bears-gm-...terbacks/#!IBK8s


I have to agree with him, what are your thoughts?

There is no sure things with first round quarterbacks either. A lesson the Jaguars have learned twice. I doubt they will relive it this year, fortunately.

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There is no sure things with first round quarterbacks either. A lesson the Jaguars have learned twice. I doubt they will relive it this year, fortunately.

It's surer than taking a flier on a 5th round guy from Nowhere State, expecting to groom, develop, and have him as anything more than a backup. You want a QB, they are usually in round 1-2. Beyond that you're just paying for a quick-pick. 

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It's surer than taking a flier on a 5th round guy from Nowhere State, expecting to groom, develop, and have him as anything more than a backup. You want a QB, they are usually in round 1-2. Beyond that you're just paying for a quick-pick. 

 

That's how the numbers work out.  Add to that, QBs in rounds 1-2 have the highest bust rate...

 

Plus, QBs that fall are mostly on the miss end.  QBs like Quinn and Clausen never amounted to anything.

 

The only one I can think of that fell so hard, Rodgers, took time to develop.  More time than most are patient for.

 

So when those QBs fall...

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That's how the numbers work out.  Add to that, QBs in rounds 1-2 have the highest bust rate...

 

Plus, QBs that fall are mostly on the miss end.  QBs like Quinn and Clausen never amounted to anything.

 

The only one I can think of that fell so hard, Rodgers, took time to develop. 
More time than most are patient for.

 

So when those QBs fall...

 

But do we know that Rodgers really needed time to develop? Granted, he didn't really beat out Favre his first few years in Green Bay but I have my doubts that Johnny Unitas himself would have beaten out Favre at that point. He was simply too much of a fan favorite at that point.

 

The rather sad state of affairs of the Quarterback in the NFL is that either the player has it, or he doesn't; there's really no time or opportunity to truly develop a Quarterback's skills. The best teacher is experience, but not every good student is a fast learner. Most every other spot on the field is able to 'learn on the go' due to rotation and roster depth. Not so much at Quarterback. When you roll the guy out on the field he is expected to be a winner and the learning curve has pretty much ended with the preseason games.

 

This perspective, more than anything else, screams for the generation of a developmental league where every team can farm out QB's and Pass Catchers and have them play against real competition in order to hone their abilities. The more I think about it, the more I think the League is doing itself a disservice by not having this feature.

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But do we know that Rodgers really needed time to develop? Granted, he didn't really beat out Favre his first few years in Green Bay but I have my doubts that Johnny Unitas himself would have beaten out Favre at that point. He was simply too much of a fan favorite at that point.

 

The rather sad state of affairs of the Quarterback in the NFL is that either the player has it, or he doesn't; there's really no time or opportunity to truly develop a Quarterback's skills. The best teacher is experience, but not every good student is a fast learner. Most every other spot on the field is able to 'learn on the go' due to rotation and roster depth. Not so much at Quarterback. When you roll the guy out on the field he is expected to be a winner and the learning curve has pretty much ended with the preseason games.

 

This perspective, more than anything else, screams for the generation of a developmental league where every team can farm out QB's and Pass Catchers and have them play against real competition in order to hone their abilities. The more I think about it, the more I think the League is doing itself a disservice by not having this feature.

 

GB did it right.  Draft your next QB before your current QB is done.  If he sits, great.  It certainly won't hurt his development, so he'll get to come along slow regardless of whether that's necessary.  It can only help.

 

The larger point being, he's there when you need him and you're not stuck selecting from a bare cupboard when it's time to draft one.  If that's your situation (like ours has been for a decade it feels) then you're setting yourself up for failure.  QBs have the highest bust rate in the first two rounds, but that's also where the good ones are found.  You're stuck with a coin toss to decide your team's fate.

 

The solution is to keep drafting and developing, even if you have a Manning or Brady.  Having the QB hit takes a share of luck.  Having that QB hit exactly when you need it to hit is putting additional risk on the pick that doesn't need to be there.  Again, that's setting up for failure.

 

As far as a developmental league, I understand the point but I don't see the feasibility.  NFLE was as much marketing as it was development and it bled cash.  They only way the NFL would back another developmental league is if it could again expand markets but without losing money.  Not sure the diminishing returns of going for the closest and likely most frugal options would be worth it (Mexico, Canada.)  With the folding of all sub markets, there's no interest in subpar football in the US.

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"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."

GB did it right.  Draft your next QB before your current QB is done.  If he sits, great.  It certainly won't hurt his development, so he'll get to come along slow regardless of whether that's necessary.  It can only help.

 

The larger point being, he's there when you need him and you're not stuck selecting from a bare cupboard when it's time to draft one.  If that's your situation (like ours has been for a decade it feels) then you're setting yourself up for failure.  QBs have the highest bust rate in the first two rounds, but that's also where the good ones are found.  You're stuck with a coin toss to decide your team's fate.

 

The solution is to keep drafting and developing, even if you have a Manning or Brady.  Having the QB hit takes a share of luck.  Having that QB hit exactly when you need it to hit is putting additional risk on the pick that doesn't need to be there.  Again, that's setting up for failure.

 

As far as a developmental league, I understand the point but I don't see the feasibility.  NFLE was as much marketing as it was development and it bled cash.  They only way the NFL would back another developmental league is if it could again expand markets but without losing money.  Not sure the diminishing returns of going for the closest and likely most frugal options would be worth it (Mexico, Canada.)  With the folding of all sub markets, there's no interest in subpar football in the US.

 

Green Bay did indeed do it right, but in order for Jacksonville to follow in their model they need an established high level starter at the Quarterback position. That much is obvious, I know but it's the major sticking point in all of this. Quarterbacks bust but so does every other position, they aren't special. That's why me philosophy has evolved into one of 'don't treat that position as any different than the others.' Never let talent that can help you out walk past you just so you can take a guy that you "hope" will pan out and not bust. Because you hope that they all pan out and not bust.

 

My issue isn't with finding a Quarterback later; my issue is in taking a Quarterback at the detriment of the rest of your roster. Does a Third Round QB have a better shot at developing than a First Round guy? No, of course not but taking a guy who has Third Round talent/ability/potential in the First is setting the whole roster back.

 

As for the Developmental League, I think a way that the NFL can get it to generate interest and thereby generate cash is by tying the developmental teams directly to the 'Mother' teams. Have Jacksonville's Practice Squad play against Pittsburgh Practice Squad in an expanded 9 on 7 drill that you label as a "game." That way, fans understand that they are watching the future of their team play and have a greater interest in watching them. Plus, the young guys take advantage of the greatest learning experience that exists; actual experience!

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