The Jags should indeed try to maximize the value of pick # 3.   But you are right,  the Lions aren't going to give up that much for the rights to Sammy Watkins or any player in the draft.  

 

Each draft has different dynamics.  Yet,  it's worth keeping in mind that in the 2013 Draft,  Oakland only got a 2nd Round pick from Miami from trading down from pick # 3 to pick # 12.   The Raiders ended up selecting Houston CB D.J. Hayden with pick # 12.

 

I was hoping you would chime in D6. Thanks.

 

What do you think Detroit will do, and give up if the rumor is true? Say to move up to #3. I would think at least #10, #45, and maybe even #111 (4th).

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I was hoping you would chime in D6. Thanks.

 

What do you think Detroit will do, and give up if the rumor is true? Say to move up to #3. I would think at least #10, #45, and maybe even #111 (4th).

 

That sort of return would barely be enough if it was Atlanta moving from 6 to 3. No way is that pithy return acceptable for swapping picks 10 and 3. 

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The Jags should indeed try to maximize the value of pick # 3.   But you are right,  the Lions aren't going to give up that much for the rights to Sammy Watkins or any player in the draft.  

 

Each draft has different dynamics.  Yet,  it's worth keeping in mind that in the 2013 Draft,  Oakland only got a 2nd Round pick from Miami from trading down from pick # 3 to pick # 12.   The Raiders ended up selecting Houston CB D.J. Hayden with pick # 12.

 

In this draft the 3 pick will garner more than the return Oakland got from Miami last year. That was a joke that Oakland only got that little bit for swapping picks 3 and 12. 

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Picking at 10 won't put us out of some really good players, as IMO, Gilbert, Barr, Ebron and Evans will all still be there at 10. 

 

The issue though, is getting enough of a value return in compensation in moving back from 3 to 10.

 

The Jags theoretically could reasonably trade back 2 times - from 3 to 6 and then from 6 to 10 and net a couple 2nd rounders + an additional couple 4th rounders or so, in that scenario. So, to move back 7 spots in one fell swoop, it needs to be a deal that equals or even tops that.  

 

This would be a dream scenario, if Clowney (Even Mack) is there at #3, I think Atlanta trades up (Gives up #6, #37, and maybe #103) and If Watkins is still there at #6 Then Detroit trades up to nab him (Gives up #10, #45, and maybe #111)

 

Jags would have:

#10 Ebron/Barr/Evans

#37

#39

#45

 

I'm dreaming again!

 

Mock would go......

 

Houston-Bortles

St Louis - Robinson

Atlanta-Clowney

Cleveland- Manziel

Raiders- Carr

Detroit- Watkins

Tampa- Evans

Minn.- Teddy

Buffalo - Mack or Mathews

Jags - Ebron, Evans, Barr, Mathews or Mack still there

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This would be a dream scenario, if Clowney (Even Mack) is there at #3, I think Atlanta trades up (Gives up #6, #37, and maybe #103) and If Watkins is still there at #6 Then Detroit trades up to nab him (Gives up #10, #45, and maybe #111)

 

Jags would have:

#10 Ebron/Barr/Evans

#37

#39

#45

 

I'm dreaming again!

 

Mock would go......

 

Houston-Bortles

St Louis - Robinson

Atlanta-Clowney

Cleveland- Manziel

Raiders- Carr

Detroit- Watkins

Tampa- Evans

Minn.- Teddy

Buffalo - Mack or Mathews

Jags - Ebron, Evans, Barr, Mathews or Mack still there

If Clowney is there, they better get more than just a second and a 4th round pick. 

 

I would just rather them pick Clowney.  A once in a lifetime prospect.  The Jags have the bargaining power.  At least a first round pick next season.  If not, more. 

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This would be a dream scenario, if Clowney (Even Mack) is there at #3, I think Atlanta trades up (Gives up #6, #37, and maybe #103) and If Watkins is still there at #6 Then Detroit trades up to nab him (Gives up #10, #45, and maybe #111)

 

Jags would have:

#10 Ebron/Barr/Evans

#37

#39

#45

 

I'm dreaming again!

 

Mock would go......

 

Houston-Bortles

St Louis - Robinson

Atlanta-Clowney

Cleveland- Manziel

Raiders- Carr

Detroit- Watkins

Tampa- Evans

Minn.- Teddy

Buffalo - Mack or Mathews

Jags - Ebron, Evans, Barr, Mathews or Mack still there

 

Thats actually the way I see it potentially playing out. I don't think its much of a stretch, either. 

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Watkins Tate megatron and Reggie bush my god that's what you call weapons

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I was hoping you would chime in D6. Thanks.

 

What do you think Detroit will do, and give up if the rumor is true? Say to move up to #3. I would think at least #10, #45, and maybe even #111 (4th).

 

My pleasure, JAGFAN4EVER!

 

I think the trade terms you mentioned are at or very close to what would be the trade compensation if the Jaguars and Lions made a trade.

 

It's anyone's guess whether the Lions are seriously interested in trading up for Sammy Watkins or whether it's a smokescreen.  What is evident is the Lions are creating the public impression that the team brass wants Watkins.   The Lions met with him at the Combine.   Then Martin Mayhew and Jim Caldwell went out to dinner with Watkins and his family around the time period of his Clemson Pro-Day.  Then yesterday,  the Lions hosted Watkins for a pre-draft visit.    The Lions under Martin Mayhew are rarely this overt about being interested in a player.    That's why I think this could easily be a smokescreen.   

 

In making a case why the Lions could have serious interest in Watkins,   Calvin Johnson turns 29 this fall and is coming off a knee injury that adversely affected him in 2013.     Also,   Ryan Broyles is coming off a Torn Achilles' Tendon,  this after two separate two ACL injuries.   Even with Golden Tate in the fold,  WR has to be addressed.   The question is to what extent.   In a deep WR draft,   the Lions have the luxury of not taking a WR in the first couple of rounds.    Yet,  Watkins has unique talent.   The type of talent that would provide the Lions a high caliber future # 1 WR and someone who can keep the Offense going in the meanwhile if Megatron is sidelined again.   Words can't even describe how much the Lions Offense suffers w/o Calvin Johnson.

 

If the Lions keep pick # 10,  at this point in time I think the decision will come down to Anthony Barr,  Justin Gilbert,  or Mike Evans.  Being that in the last 4 drafts the Lions selected 3 Defensive Lineman and 1 Offensive Lineman in Round 1,   it wouldn't surprise me in the least if Barr is the pick.    Especially since he has very good pass rush potential.   Jim Caldwell and Def. Coordinator Teryl Austin have mentioned that the Lions are looking to add a pass rushing type of LB to the mix,  to vary the Defensive Alignments/  Calls from the base 4-3.   I'm going under the assumption that Khalil Mack will be taken before pick # 10.  

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In this draft the 3 pick will garner more than the return Oakland got from Miami last year. That was a joke that Oakland only got that little bit for swapping picks 3 and 12. 

 

While I think pick # 3 will garner more in 2014 than it did in 2013,   I don't think it will garner close to the type of trade you are hoping the Jaguars to get.    The type of trade package that JAGFAN4EVER! mentioned is much more likely if there's an exchange of pick # 3 and pick # 10.   If the Jaguars brass believes that there will be value with pick # 10,  I think they will be tempted to make this trade if presented.   Especially if there's a player or two the Jaguars are targetting that ends up being taken before pick # 3.    

 

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While I think pick # 3 will garner more in 2014 than it did in 2013,   I don't think it will garner close to the type of trade you are hoping the Jaguars to get.    The type of trade package that JAGFAN4EVER! mentioned is much more likely if there's an exchange of pick # 3 and pick # 10.   If the Jaguars brass believes that there will be value with pick # 10,  I think they will be tempted to make this trade if presented.   Especially if there's a player or two the Jaguars are targetting that ends up being taken before pick # 3.    

 

 

If thats the case, then I don't want to see the Jags trade all the way down to 10 for that little of compensation. I'd trade down to 6 for that level of compensation, though. 

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If thats the case, then I don't want to see the Jags trade all the way down to 10 for that little of compensation. I'd trade down to 6 for that level of compensation, though. 

 

I totally respect where you are coming from.  

 

My guess is the Falcons would make the trade you mentioned if Jadeveon Clowney was still available at pick # 3.  If Clowney is off the board,  unless the Falcons believe that one of the remaining Offensive Tackles stands out compared to the rest of the Tackles,  I don't think they would give up that much trade compensation. 

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If Clowney is there, they better get more than just a second and a 4th round pick. 

 

I would just rather them pick Clowney.  A once in a lifetime prospect.  The Jags have the bargaining power.  At least a first round pick next season.  If not, more. 

This is what I am thinking.

 

Sometimes quality is better than quantity.

 

The extra 2 and 4 may not be >=Clowney.

 

Sometimes you need the star caliber player.  You need the guy who will create matchup problems.  You need the guy coordinators will lose sleep trying to neutralize.

 

I think Clowney is one of those players.

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!

The trade down to 6 and then trade down again to 10 theory has two problems that I can see. There is like a 25% chance at best that Clowney is available at 3, and then like a 10% chance that Sammy is available at 6.

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Well the rumor seems to be picking up steam.


http://m.nbcsports.com/content/more-sign...my-watkins


The only problem is that it seems like the Lions think they may have to move up to #2 to make it happen. The Rams may end up with a bidding war for their pick if the Falcons were wanting to trade up ahead of us.

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"Before you criticize a man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, if he gets angry, he's a mile away and barefoot."

If Clowney is there, they better get more than just a second and a 4th round pick. 

 

I would just rather them pick Clowney.  A once in a lifetime prospect.  The Jags have the bargaining power.  At least a first round pick next season.  If not, more. 

I agree you dont trade away from Clowney without milking a team dry

If he is gone then you could go for the 2nd and 4th thing

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Well the rumor seems to be picking up steam.

http://m.nbcsports.com/content/more-sign...my-watkins


The only problem is that it seems like the Lions think they may have to move up to #2 to make it happen. The Rams may end up with a bidding war for their pick if the Falcons were wanting to trade up ahead of us.

 

And once again the Rams get the kings ransom when we end up winning too many games , RG3 deal and possibly this 

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oh geezus can the draft get here all ready?

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The trade down to 6 and then trade down again to 10 theory has two problems that I can see. There is like a 25% chance at best that Clowney is available at 3, and then like a 10% chance that Sammy is available at 6.

 

Been saying for weeks that Clowney/Watkins or both will be gone by pick #3.

 

Only way Clowney falls to #3 is if St. Louis goes Watkins.

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This is what I am thinking.

 

Sometimes quality is better than quantity.

 

The extra 2 and 4 may not be >=Clowney.

 

Sometimes you need the star caliber player.  You need the guy who will create matchup problems.  You need the guy coordinators will lose sleep trying to neutralize.

 

I think Clowney is one of those players.

 

Clowney vs.  Mack/Yankey/Seastrunk

 

Some might easily chose the latter.

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Why would Detroit trade up for a WR.  They have Megatron and Golden Tate.

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