I believe coaching matters, and it matters a great deal...I also believe that player execution counts even more...The coaches can show and tell people a bazillion times where you are supposed to be, how far up field you run straight before you cut to gain separation, which person you are supposed to block, which receiver is the hot receiver, et.al and if they still don't do it right, that is on the players...at some point in time players not executing the plan are the ones who should be called out...How many times does a coach have to show players how to do what they are supposed to do before it becomes the players fault for not following instructions from the coach?  

 

I get that.  But you are assuming this coaching staff is actually doing those types of things... I honestly have my doubts as to how much actual "coaching" these players are getting.  

 

Seriously, when you see regression all around, you can't just take for granted that these coaches are taking their time to actually explain properly the expectations and positioning the players need to be in during "x" scenario.  Do you honestly beleive, that after 4 years of this 3 deep scheme, where players are still constantly out of position and getting burned, that this coaching staff is properly breaking down game film and then translating that to practices where they hash out the failures they've seen on film?

 

I don't.  I think film day is spent talking about stuff, then they get out on the field and "rah rah" and go throw the motions in a manner that is not intensive or conducive to encouraging muscle memory and instinctual reaction to scenarios.  

 

If we had a legitimate coaching staff, I think I'd agree with your point a bit more than I do right now, just based on the complete ineptitude of this staff.

 

Edit:  The frustrating thing is that you could see this type of ineptitute and lack of proper coaching last year.  And yet we kept Gus around.  That's the most frustrating part.  Everyone with eyes could see that this staff, led by Gus, was not capable of properly coaching an NFL team to success.  But here they are.  Collecting paychecks while imparting zero (0) positive outcomes.  Sad.  

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I get that.  But you are assuming this coaching staff is actually doing those types of things... I honestly have my doubts as to how much actual "coaching" these players are getting.  

 

Seriously, when you see regression all around, you can't just take for granted that these coaches are taking their time to actually explain properly the expectations and positioning the players need to be in during "x" scenario.  Do you honestly beleive, that after 4 years of this 3 deep scheme, where players are still constantly out of position and getting burned, that this coaching staff is properly breaking down game film and then translating that to practices where they hash out the failures they've seen on film?

 

I don't.  I think film day is spent talking about stuff, then they get out on the field and "rah rah" and go throw the motions in a manner that is not intensive or conducive to encouraging muscle memory and instinctual reaction to scenarios.  

 

If we had a legitimate coaching staff, I think I'd agree with your point a bit more than I do right now, just based on the complete ineptitude of this staff.

These players are not beginners...They know the rules, they know where to to line up, they know where the time clock is so they don't get a delay of game and yet it still happens...Fowler knows he's not supposed to punch people, whoever it was that took his helmet off and yelled at the ref knows that is unsportsman like conduct, Cyp knows where to line up on a kickoff...These kind of things happening shouldn't be on coaching, the players know this since they started playing as a kid... I would say Bortles is in a slump, but the players still have been around long enough to know their routes, blocking assignments, etc. and yet fail to do it...I understand where you are coming from but I can't believe that anything and everything is the fault of the coaches...The coach is bad yeah, but at some point in time the players have to be blamed for not doing their jobs correctly when they know what is expected of them....

 

As far as what happens in the film room or anywhere in "practice"  no one knows what happens or doesn't happen other than the people there...We can guess all we want to but thats all we can do, we will never know if we are right or not...

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These players are not beginners...They know the rules, they know where to to line up, they know where the time clock is so they don't get a delay of game and yet it still happens...Fowler knows he's not supposed to punch people, whoever it was that took his helmet off and yelled at the ref knows that is unsportsman like conduct, Cyp knows where to line up on a kickoff...These kind of things happening shouldn't be on coaching, the players know this since they started playing as a kid... I would say Bortles is in a slump, but the players still have been around long enough to know their routes, blocking assignments, etc. and yet fail to do it...I understand where you are coming from but I can't believe that anything and everything is the fault of the coaches...The coach is bad yeah, but at some point in time the players have to be blamed for not doing their jobs correctly when they know what is expected of them....

 

As far as what happens in the film room or anywhere in "practice"  no one knows what happens or doesn't happen other than the people there...We can guess all we want to but thats all we can do, we will never know if we are right or not...

 

I disagree...  These players, for the most part are all young.  We got rid of most of our vets and blew up the entire team when Gus took over.  In addition to that, we're playing this seattle defense that needs to be coached and properly implemented.

 

I think you assume that just because these guys played college ball, they are all completely formed players that you can plug and play with little coaching.

 

That's not how this works.  Especially given that the Seattle 3 deep zone system is not what any of these players were used to playing before they got here.  So yeah, I totally disagree with what you're saying here.

 

You are correct that nobody knows what goes on during film sessions and subsequent practices, but are you gonna sit there with a straight face and say that you are confident that our players are getting the most out of their time under Gus?

 

The regression that we've seen from almost every player (besides Lee) is not some freak accident.  Think it through.

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Imagine if we had an aggressive and fun loving defensive coordinator that challenged these guys?  Remember what Dom Capers did with Tom Coughlin?  Whoever is bought in is going to have to smack these guys but make their job fun again (i.e. play fast and loose).

 

Dom Capers is a 3-4 guy. He has been great in Green Bay, but would we keep playing a base 4-3 defense if he came back?

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I disagree...  These players, for the most part are all young.  We got rid of most of our vets and blew up the entire team when Gus took over.  In addition to that, we're playing this seattle defense that needs to be coached and properly implemented.

 

I think you assume that just because these guys played college ball, they are all completely formed players that you can plug and play with little coaching.

 

That's not how this works.  Especially given that the Seattle 3 deep zone system is not what any of these players were used to playing before they got here.  So yeah, I totally disagree with what you're saying here.

 

You are correct that nobody knows what goes on during film sessions and subsequent practices, but are you gonna sit there with a straight face and say that you are confident that our players are getting the most out of their time under Gus?

 

The regression that we've seen from almost every player (besides Lee) is not some freak accident.  Think it through.

thats not what im getting at...I'm talking about the basic fundamentals...can't line up on the LOS, throwing punches, stupid little penalties...I have always been one to say that people expect rookies to come out and play like seasoned vets, but I always give them a couple years before I critique them...The stupid penalties are what I'm talking about...Lining up off sides, delay of game, taking your helmet off to yell at a ref, unsportsman like conduct...Those things have remained constant from pee wee to NFL yet our players are still committing these dumb penalties...THAT is on players

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thats not what im getting at...I'm talking about the basic fundamentals...can't line up on the LOS, throwing punches, stupid little penalties...I have always been one to say that people expect rookies to come out and play like seasoned vets, but I always give them a couple years before I critique them...The stupid penalties are what I'm talking about...Lining up off sides, delay of game, taking your helmet off to yell at a ref, unsportsman like conduct...Those things have remained constant from pee wee to NFL yet our players are still committing these dumb penalties...THAT is on players

 

Oh...  Yes, well I agree with that.  Most of that junk is on the players...  

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I believe coaching matters, and it matters a great deal...I also believe that player execution counts even more...The coaches can show and tell people a bazillion times where you are supposed to be, how far up field you run straight before you cut to gain separation, which person you are supposed to block, which receiver is the hot receiver, et.al and if they still don't do it right, that is on the players...at some point in time players not executing the plan are the ones who should be called out...How many times does a coach have to show players how to do what they are supposed to do before it becomes the players fault for not following instructions from the coach?  

 

This is why I never understood the argument that coaches are responsible for penalties. Gus Bradley can't push a player over the LOS. He can't make someone grab an opponent's face mask. However, if any of the coaches are teaching linemen to hold or interfere with the pass, that is their fault.

 

Poor execution is a combination of mental mistakes and talent level. One player's mistake can lead to another's but more often one player's mistake makes a teammate look bad when he wasn't.

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The entire story of the defensive this year is that they are historically bad at creating turnovers:


 



 

 

And it is not just because they are not very good at creating pressure. They are actually middle of the pack of NFL teams this season:


 

Sacks - 26 (21st)


Sack Percentage of Drop backs – 5.8 % (14th)


Hurries – 88 (T9th).


 

There has to be some issue with the defense's play/route recognition and reaction which could point to poor prep or fear of making a mistake.

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The entire story of the defensive this year is that they are historically bad at creating turnovers:


 



 

 

And it is not just because they are not very good at creating pressure. They are actually middle of the pack of NFL teams this season:


 

Sacks - 26 (21st)


Sack Percentage of Drop backs – 5.8 % (14th)


Hurries – 88 (T9th).


 

There has to be some issue with the defense's play/route recognition and reaction which could point to poor prep or fear of making a mistake.

 

   Regarding the chart, one correction that I"m aware of.   It was the 2008 Lions that went 0-16 had only had 4 interceptions all season long.   The 2014 Lions,  which went 11-5 and to the playoffs as a Wildcard,  had 20 interceptions.  Including 7 by Pro Bowl S Glover Quin.

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Sack Percentage of Drop backs – 5.8 % (14th)

Hurries – 88 (T9th).

If the hurries stat is true then it's because we are blitzing like crazy, because we still completely suck when we only rush 4. Which could in turn explain why we aren't able to get turnovers perhaps if we don't have bodies in the secondary. 

 

<a class="" href='https://twitter.com/PFF_Zoltan'>Zoltán Buday ‏@PFF_Zoltan </a> <a class="" href='https://twitter.com/PFF_Zoltan/status/806559542817521675'>Dec 7</a>

<p class="" style="font-size:16px;">Lowest pressure rate with 4 or fewer pass rushers: 1. Indianapolis 23.3% 2. Dallas 24.2% 3. Detroit 25.4% 4. Jacksonville 26.5%

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 Do you honestly beleive, that after 4 years of this 3 deep scheme, where players are still constantly out of position and getting burned, that this coaching staff is properly breaking down game film and then translating that to practices where they hash out the failures they've seen on film?

I get your point, but this is a bad example. The defense has only given up 21 passes of 25+ yards, good for 6th in the league and only 1 away from 2nd. Hard to expect better than that. 

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I get your point, but this is a bad example. The defense has only given up 21 passes of 25+ yards, good for 6th in the league and only 1 away from 2nd. Hard to expect better than that. 

 

OK...  While the explosive plays are being mitigated... I'm referring more to our ineptitude on 3rd downs.  Yeah, they may not gash us for 25+ yards, but we're at the bottom of the league in 3rd down stops.

 

To repeat:

 

The Jaguars are last in third-down offense and 30th in third down defense. 

Defense: Opponents have converted 50 of 107 chances (46.7 percent). “Third-and 3-6 is a situation where we’re not getting off the grass,” Wash said. Opponents are 19 for 28 when needing three or fewer yards, 20 of 40 when needing 4-7 yards and 11 of 39 when needing eight or more yards. Using Wash’s breakdown (3-6 yards to go), opponents are 16 of 25 (64 percent).

We get gashed just enough for the other team to convert on 3rd down.  That to me, is a pretty telling statistic.  Moreso than the big play statistic.  And that to me is all on the coaching.  All on teaching our guys situational awareness and film study.  All things that this coaching staff has proven they are horrible at.

 

I think the talent is there, the mental toughness and the proper coaching to get the players in the right frame of mind - not to mention the right position on the field - is the major issue.

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And they'd still give up points in key moments, especially at the end of games. The stats are misleading.

But if the offense could be an offense.. maybe the D wouldn't be put in those 4th Q situations so much...

 

Ya know.. if we could get and hold a lead?

 

The Jaguars offense has scored more than 24 points just once this season (VS clots; 30)

And been held to <20 points in 8 contests.

 

We've only allowed 28+ points 4 times.

In a couple of contests... our defense has held the opponents scoring low enough to win, only to have Bortles help them score with a pick 6 or two.

 

Our D isn't elite yet... but it's actually good not bad, despite the naysayers of BCC or anywhere else.

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A top 5 defense doesn't give up 25 points to the Vikings.

4 field goals.

And the D wore down by the end.

 

Why all the hate for the D all of a sudden?

This seasons failures falls directly on Bortles, Gus, and the WRs that can't catch.

Also... Oline needs to run block better, but even with a gimpy run game we could have won a lot of games that were lost at the hands of BB5, AR15, and Bradley.

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I get that.  But you are assuming this coaching staff is actually doing those types of things... I honestly have my doubts as to how much actual "coaching" these players are getting.  

 

Seriously, when you see regression all around, you can't just take for granted that these coaches are taking their time to actually explain properly the expectations and positioning the players need to be in during "x" scenario.  Do you honestly beleive, that after 4 years of this 3 deep scheme, where players are still constantly out of position and getting burned, that this coaching staff is properly breaking down game film and then translating that to practices where they hash out the failures they've seen on film?

 

I don't.  I think film day is spent talking about stuff, then they get out on the field and "rah rah" and go throw the motions in a manner that is not intensive or conducive to encouraging muscle memory and instinctual reaction to scenarios.  

 

If we had a legitimate coaching staff, I think I'd agree with your point a bit more than I do right now, just based on the complete ineptitude of this staff.

 

Edit:  The frustrating thing is that you could see this type of ineptitute and lack of proper coaching last year.  And yet we kept Gus around.  That's the most frustrating part.  Everyone with eyes could see that this staff, led by Gus, was not capable of properly coaching an NFL team to success.  But here they are.  Collecting paychecks while imparting zero (0) positive outcomes.  Sad.  

When it seems that there is so much 'regression' taking place among the players it leads me to suspect that they have 'given up' on the season... and possibly the team. In the case of the younger players, I'm inclined to place the responsibility for that primarily on the coaches...mostly the head coach. In the case of the older guys, well, JT isn't the first high profile guy to come here and just go on 'cruise control', and who can blame him? Given that he has to make circus catches to pull in one Blake Bortles passes, not to mention the way our receivers tend to get 'hung out to dry' by Bortles, it's a wonder that any of them even bother to run a semblance of a route!

 

In view of our offensive ineptitude, I'm surprised that the defense hasn't just all but packed it in for the season too. I guess some of these guys play with heart after all. It's just too bad that the effort, and the best years of some of these guys football careers is being wasted on a bad team like this. And yes... it starts at the top.

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The jags aren't last in 3rd down defense anymore.

 

They are now 72/186 for 39% which is 15th.

 

The defense has improved significantly over the course of the season.

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The jags aren't last in 3rd down defense anymore.

 

They are now 72/186 for 39% which is 15th.

 

The defense has improved significantly over the course of the season.

 

And tied for 1st with the Giants over the last 3 games. 

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And tied for 1st with the Giants over the last 3 games. 

 

I hate it when people throw around "last x games" or "since Week x" stats. Only full-season numbers are useful.

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I hate it when people throw around "last x games" or "since Week x" stats. Only full-season numbers are useful.

I respectfully disagree. That shows that the Jaguars defense has improved drastically over the past 3 games relative to where they were last season and earlier in the year.


Why is this information not useful?

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<i>He chops his nose to spite his face.</i>

 

-Etrigan the Demon

 

"Last x" shows trends and trends can be very useful if you are smart enough to understand them.

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