Oh stop with the excuses, was the 2013 weak relative to other years? Yes, but that's no excuse for missing on the ENTIRE draft class, there were good players in that draft, the Jaguars (selecting at 2) were in a better position than almost every other team in the league to capitalize on it, but failed.

31 other teams are in the same boat, stop ignoring facts

 

Lane Johnson, Ezekiel Ansah, Sheldon Richardson, Star Lotulelei, Justin Pugh, Kyle Long, Tyler Eifert, Desmond Trufant, Sharrif Floyd, Xavier Rhodes, DeAndre Hopkins, Alec Ogeltree, Travis Frederick, Darius Slay, Giovani Bernard, Kawann Short, David Amerson, Jamie Collins, Leveon Bell, Travis Kelce etc... were all taken in the first 2 rounds of that draft, there were plenth of good players to choose from, Tyrann Mathieu went 5 picks after Gratz was taken in the 3rd round, it's a GM's job to find good players, even in a bad draft. David Caldwell has failed more times than not in the draft

all those out of 254 that were drafted? Thats not many...now how many are still in the league? this same discussion came up in another thread a month or so ago and it actually surprising how few of the players from the 2013 draft are even still in the league

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  Though the first half of Round 1 produced much worse overall results than typically is the case in an NFL Draft,   IMO,  the rest of that draft doesn't stand out as a below average draft.

 

  Dave Caldwell has made some great picks as Jaguars GM but he probably would admit he wishes he could have some of his 2013 selections back beyond what transpired with Luke Joeckel. 
   In Caldwell's defense,  he couldn't make some scouting department changes until after the 2013 Draft due to the nature of the NFL Scouting calendar. 

Name one GM past or present that doesn't say the same thing about every draft

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31 other teams are in the same boat, stop ignoring facts

 

all those out of 254 that were drafted? Thats not many...now how many are still in the league? this same discussion came up in another thread a month or so ago and it actually surprising how few of the players from the 2013 draft are even still in the league

 

If you read my post, you'll notice it says "were all taken in the first 2 rounds of that draft"

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Name one GM past or present that doesn't say the same thing about every draft

 

  When the draft results are looked at after 4 seasons,   there are some team's drafts that have very little to show for it.  Especially,  relative to the spot in the draft a player was drafted.

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  When the draft results are looked at after 4 seasons,   there are some team's drafts that have very little to show for it.  Especially,  relative to the spot in the draft a player was drafted.

exactly...so its not just Caldwell, it's every GM...no GM hits every pic

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If you read my post, you'll notice it says "were all taken in the first 2 rounds of that draft"

 

   Even beyond Round 2,   there are many players from that draft that are in the NFL making winning level contributions.  

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If you read my post, you'll notice it says "were all taken in the first 2 rounds of that draft"

the point remains the same...

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Name one GM past or present that doesn't say the same thing about every draft

 

Lets just judge the 2013-2015 drafts, because it's impossible to judge 2016. We agree that he missed completely on the entire 2013 draft, but 2014 wasn't a whole lot better, he missed on Bortles and Lee, while hitting on Robinson, Linder, Smith (who should've been a 2nd-3rd rd pick) and Colvin. Fast forward to the 2015 draft, he's missed on Fowler, Yeldon, Cann, Sample. In those 3 years, David Caldwell managed to find 4 good players, think about that, he also hired the worst coach of all time- If you don't believe David Caldwell is the problem then you're truly clueless.

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   Even beyond Round 2,   there are many players from that draft that are in the NFL making winning level contributions.  

not MANY, some yeah but certainly not MANY

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Lets just judge the 2013-2015 drafts, because it's impossible to judge 2016. We agree that he missed completely on the entire 2013 draft, but 2014 wasn't a whole lot better, he missed on Bortles and Lee
, while hitting on Robinson, Linder, Smith (who should've been a 2nd-3rd rd pick) and Colvin. Fast forward to the 2015 draft, he's missed on Fowler, Yeldon, Cann, Sample. In those 3 years, David Caldwell managed to find 4 good players, think about that, he also hired the worst coach of all time- If you don't believe David Caldwell is the problem then you're truly clueless.

l;m not ready to say that ...Fowler is too early to tell...Yeldon is not horrible, Cann isn't horrible, Sample couldnt stay on the field long enough to be judged

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The biggest problem with Caldwell is that he is part of this losing culture, whether he stays as GM or not.

 

He's not a horrible GM, but he's not that great either and i think a GM like that can be replaced. I think he ultimately gets another shot at a new head coach, but we'll see. 

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not MANY, some yeah but certainly not MANY

 

  Compared to other drafts,  I don't think the number of players from Round 3 on making winning level contributions is disproportionate.   This includes someone like Chargers 3rd Round pick WR Keenan Allen,  who is out for the season but has clearly exceeded his draft billing. 

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l;m not ready to say that ...Fowler is too early to tell...Yeldon is not horrible, Cann isn't horrible

 

"Isn't horrible" isn't a justification for selecting these guys, Yeldon was selected over guys like David Johnson and Tevin Coleman, both have shown more than Yeldon. The problem with David Caldwell is he's not maximizing value in the draft, how much higher did he have Bortles ranked over Derek Carr? If the answer is "much higher" then there are clear scouting problems, if they were similarly rated with late first/early 2nd rd grades, then he should've taken the BAP at 3 while targeting a QB in the 2nd round, that strategy worked fine for the Raiders who were able to snag both Khalil Mack and Derek Carr.

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  Compared to other drafts,  I don't think the number of players from Round 3 on making winning level contributions is disproportionate.   This includes someone like Chargers 3rd Round pick WR Keenan Allen,  who is out for the season but has clearly exceeded his draft billing. 

there are some of those in every draft, however no matter where you wanted to judge the 2013 draft from, it has been called a weak draft by many NFL "experts"

 


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"Isn't horrible" isn't a justification for selecting these guys, Yeldon was selected over guys like David Johnson and Tevin Coleman, both have shown more than Yeldon. The problem with David Caldwell is he's not maximizing value in the draft, how much higher did he have Bortles ranked over Derek Carr? If the answer is "much higher" then there are clear scouting problems, if they were similarly rated with late first/early 2nd rd grades, then he should've taken the BAP at 3 while targeting a QB in the 2nd round, that strategy worked fine for the Raiders who were able to snag both Khalil Mack and Derek Carr.

now how about thinking who those guys play for...How is the OL for Colemen? MUCH better than ours for Yeldon, who is the QB and how does their OC use TE???Wayyyy different than us...switch Yeldon for Colemen and you get the same result behind our OL Switch Lewis out for Johnson and Lewis would have much better stats

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there are some of those in every draft, however no matter where you wanted to judge the 2013 draft from, it has been called a weak draft by many NFL "experts"

 

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  These articles most reflect the 1st Round of the Draft,  which gets most of the attention.    Admittedly,  the top half of the 1st Round had many more busts and average performers combined than usual.   But IMO,  that doesn't reflect the entire draft.  

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"Isn't horrible" isn't a justification for selecting these guys, Yeldon was selected over guys like David Johnson and Tevin Coleman, both have shown more than Yeldon. The problem with David Caldwell is he's not maximizing value in the draft, how much higher did he have Bortles ranked over Derek Carr? If the answer is "much higher" then there are clear scouting problems, if they were similarly rated with late first/early 2nd rd grades, then he should've taken the BAP at 3 while targeting a QB in the 2nd round, that strategy worked fine for the Raiders who were able to snag both Khalil Mack and Derek Carr.

they are serviceable, they are not a Jokel type player... 

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now how about thinking who those guys play for...How is the OL for Colemen? MUCH better than ours for Yeldon, who is the QB and how does their OC use TE???Wayyyy different than us...switch Yeldon for Colemen and you get the same result behind our OL Switch Lewis out for Johnson and Lewis would have much better stats

 

David Caldwell has had 4 years to build the o line! David Caldwell has selected his QB, if your argument is Yeldon has struggled because the pieces around him aren't good, I agree, but guess who put the pieces around him? David Caldwell, haha!

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David Caldwell has had 4 years to build the o line! David Caldwell has selected his QB, if your argument is Yeldon has struggled because the pieces around him aren't good, I agree, but guess who put the pieces around him? David Caldwell, haha!

All Caldwell can do is get the players, he's not the one who is supposed to groom them and teach them...Caldwell's drafts have been graded very high by Kiper and all those guys...even other GMs have commented on how well he has drafted

 


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David Caldwell has had 4 years to build the o line! David Caldwell has selected his QB, if your argument is Yeldon has struggled because the pieces around him aren't good, I agree, but guess who put the pieces around him? David Caldwell, haha!

 

   Though we probably will never know the answer to this question,  I wonder how much better would T.J. Yeldon be if he was with Arizona, in place of David Johnson?  

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