If this is true, we're literally throwing darts at a board in the darkness.

But at this point it's what we need to get any sort of production from the front four because the only way Wash decides to change the gameplan and mix up the defensive coverages/blitzing is if hell freezes over.

Sheard may not be great, but hes always been productive and they should have brought him in weeks ago.

https://twitter.com/DuvalGiant77/status/...5656331274

4.5 sacks or more in 8 of his 9 seasons with 51.5 total.

True, I am just curious why he hasn't been on a squad.

Either way, we have to make some type of change to get things rolling in our direction defensively speaking.

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Wingard wouldn’t make the roster on any other team.

That is a bit of an exaggeration.

Oh is it?

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That is a bit of an exaggeration.

Oh is it?

No, it isn't.

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I am a fan, not a cheerleader.

Looks like no Sheard.

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I wonder if Wash would trade Jonathan Allen? I'd give our 2nd and a 4th

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This years DT class is kinda weak. I think we need to do like the Colts did when they traded for Buckner

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I wonder if Wash would trade Jonathan  Allen?  I'd give our 2nd and a 4th

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This years DT class is kinda weak.  I think we need to do like the Colts did when they traded for Buckner

We have so many holes.  DL, LB (outside of Jack), safety plays is brutal, corners are young but not looking the part yet.  WR depth.  OT's are young but not there yet.  RB depth.  It makes my head spin.

Only things I feel are acceptable are interior OL, TE, and QB.  Chark and Robinson are nice players, but are they elite?

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This is a results-oriented business.  There are no trophies or titles given for "moral victories" or for "winning the draft".  Our record with DC is 37-86.  6-10 is our 2nd best season in 8 years of Caldwell leadership.  These are the FACTS.

I wonder if Wash would trade Jonathan  Allen?  I'd give our 2nd and a 4th

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This years DT class is kinda weak.  I think we need to do like the Colts did when they traded for Buckner

We have so many holes.  DL, LB (outside of Jack), safety plays is brutal, corners are young but not looking the part yet.  WR depth.  OT's are young but not there yet.  RB depth.  It makes my head spin.

Only things I feel are acceptable are interior OL, TE, and QB.  Chark and Robinson are nice players, but are they elite?

I feel good about our offense, I would take Pitts with one of our 1sts though. We have to figure out how to fix this d and it starts with pressure from the interior.  Surtain Jr. will likely be there with our 1st pick and would man down our corner spots opposite CJ. 2nd round is always a good value spot for safety and it looks to be no different this year.  After adding Schobert and the way Jack is playing LB is way down the list, we also have Quarterman who is probably the future at MLB.   WR is also way down on the list

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I wonder if Wash would trade Jonathan  Allen?  I'd give our 2nd and a 4th

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This years DT class is kinda weak.  I think we need to do like the Colts did when they traded for Buckner

I still say we are in pretty good position to get Jaylen Twyman or Darius Stills in the draft. Both are really good pass rushing 3 techniques that should go in that mid first to early second round range. Twyman is gonna go before Stills, but both could help us. After these two though, the class drops off a cliff and there's nothing that will be available in the 2021 free agent class outside of Ndamukong Suh who is will be 34 years old, almost 35 by the time the season starts in 2021. It will be very hard to trade for an Akiem Hicks type player. Teams tend to wanna keep guys like that. We could try to make a trade for a guy like Geno Atkins, but the Bengals are likely gonna want some kind of O-Lineman along with some high picks. Who are we willing to part with? I'd say the asking price for Atkins could be a 1st, 3rd and Brandon Linder. Are we willing to pay that?

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I wonder if Wash would trade Jonathan  Allen?  I'd give our 2nd and a 4th

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This years DT class is kinda weak.  I think we need to do like the Colts did when they traded for Buckner

I still say we are in pretty good position to get Jaylen Twyman or Darius Stills in the draft. Both are really good pass rushing 3 techniques that should go in that mid first to early second round range. Twyman is gonna go before Stills, but both could help us. After these two though, the class drops off a cliff and there's nothing that will be available in the 2021 free agent class outside of Ndamukong Suh who is will be 34 years old, almost 35 by the time the season starts in 2021. It will be very hard to trade for an Akiem Hicks type player. Teams tend to wanna keep guys like that. We could try to make a trade for a guy like Geno Atkins, but the Bengals are likely gonna want some kind of O-Lineman along with some high picks. Who are we willing to part with? I'd say the asking price for Atkins could be a 1st, 3rd and Brandon Linder. Are we willing to pay that?

I like your thoughts on drafting young DT's. Late first or early second round would be likely if those guys are there.

Geno Atkins will be 33 next year.  No way the price for him would be that high... you could probably get him for a 3rd by itself.  That being said, I wouldn't do it... his production is going to drop quickly.  Keep our draft picks and let our new GM build for the future.  We won't be in a position to win next season anyway with this roster.

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This is a results-oriented business.  There are no trophies or titles given for "moral victories" or for "winning the draft".  Our record with DC is 37-86.  6-10 is our 2nd best season in 8 years of Caldwell leadership.  These are the FACTS.

I wonder if Wash would trade Jonathan  Allen?  I'd give our 2nd and a 4th

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This years DT class is kinda weak.  I think we need to do like the Colts did when they traded for Buckner

I still say we are in pretty good position to get Jaylen Twyman or Darius Stills in the draft. Both are really good pass rushing 3 techniques that should go in that mid first to early second round range. Twyman is gonna go before Stills, but both could help us. After these two though, the class drops off a cliff and there's nothing that will be available in the 2021 free agent class outside of Ndamukong Suh who is will be 34 years old, almost 35 by the time the season starts in 2021. It will be very hard to trade for an Akiem Hicks type player. Teams tend to wanna keep guys like that. We could try to make a trade for a guy like Geno Atkins, but the Bengals are likely gonna want some kind of O-Lineman along with some high picks. Who are we willing to part with? I'd say the asking price for Atkins could be a 1st, 3rd and Brandon Linder. Are we willing to pay that?

Geno Atkins is 32, I wouldn't give up a 1st, not even a 2nd.

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I am a fan, not a cheerleader.

I wonder if Wash would trade Jonathan  Allen?  I'd give our 2nd and a 4th

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This years DT class is kinda weak.  I think we need to do like the Colts did when they traded for Buckner

I still say we are in pretty good position to get Jaylen Twyman or Darius Stills in the draft. Both are really good pass rushing 3 techniques that should go in that mid first to early second round range. Twyman is gonna go before Stills, but both could help us. After these two though, the class drops off a cliff and there's nothing that will be available in the 2021 free agent class outside of Ndamukong Suh who is will be 34 years old, almost 35 by the time the season starts in 2021. It will be very hard to trade for an Akiem Hicks type player. Teams tend to wanna keep guys like that. We could try to make a trade for a guy like Geno Atkins, but the Bengals are likely gonna want some kind of O-Lineman along with some high picks. Who are we willing to part with? I'd say the asking price for Atkins could be a 1st, 3rd and Brandon Linder. Are we willing to pay that?

Allen is better than any DT in the draft and Wash. is in rebuilding mode with no QB.  Allen will also have to get paid next year going into his 5th year option .  He is the one guy I think we could trade for and could help both teams.  Lol, Atkins is gonna be 33, we could probably get him for a 3rd alone or im almost certain we could get him for Linder straight up as bad as their oline is but I'm not gonna trade our top 5 center.  A 1st, 3rd, and Linder is comical lol.  If we wanted older we would of just kept CC who is a better player and we got a 5th for him

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I feel Allen is playing out of position in Washington. He is good there but he would be even better at 3tech in a 4-3 imo

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The Taven Bryan pick is enough to fire Caldwell IMO. One of the biggest busts in franchise history. Dude is an absolute nonfactor.

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I still say we are in pretty good position to get Jaylen Twyman or Darius Stills in the draft. Both are really good pass rushing 3 techniques that should go in that mid first to early second round range. Twyman is gonna go before Stills, but both could help us. After these two though, the class drops off a cliff and there's nothing that will be available in the 2021 free agent class outside of Ndamukong Suh who is will be 34 years old, almost 35 by the time the season starts in 2021. It will be very hard to trade for an Akiem Hicks type player. Teams tend to wanna keep guys like that. We could try to make a trade for a guy like Geno Atkins, but the Bengals are likely gonna want some kind of O-Lineman along with some high picks. Who are we willing to part with? I'd say the asking price for Atkins could be a 1st, 3rd and Brandon Linder. Are we willing to pay that?

Allen is better than any DT in the draft and Wash. is in rebuilding mode with no QB.  Allen will also have to get paid next year going into his 5th year option .  He is the one guy I think we could trade for and could help both teams.  Lol, Atkins is gonna be 33, we could probably get him for a 3rd alone or im almost certain we could get him for Linder straight up as bad as their oline is but I'm not gonna trade our top 5 center.  A 1st, 3rd, and Linder is comical lol.  If we wanted older we would of just kept CC who is a better player and we got a 5th for him

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I feel Allen is playing out of position in Washington.  He is good there but he would be even better at 3tech in a 4-3 imo

Allen has never played DT. He was a 5 technique in college as well and would have to gain like 25-30 lbs., just to be big enough to hold up at DT. Not to mention that moving a guy from the outside to the inside almost never works. Playing in space and playing on the inside are two totally different things. I think Allen is perfect where he is. Comparing Allen to DT's in the draft is like comparing apples and oranges. They play different positions. I'd never make that trade unless we intended on switching to a 3-4 scheme full time. As for Geno Atkins, you guys are crazy if you think you could get him for a 2nd or a 3rd round pick, despite his age. Since 2015 he has sack totals of 11, 9, 9, 10 and 4.5 as his production fell last season when he had a myriad of nagging injuries. 

I just don't see any good, young, interior pass rushers in the NFL that an team would be willing to part with, so we'd almost have to get one via the draft. That would mean using a first round pick on one since the only two standouts (Twyman and Stills,) likely won't make it to our 2nd round selection.

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The Taven Bryan pick is enough to fire Caldwell IMO. One of the biggest busts in franchise history. Dude is an absolute nonfactor.

Agreed. I remember tossing furniture around the house when the pick was made. I had him rated as a 4th rounder. He lacked production in college and was drafted solely on potential, much like K'Lavon Chaisson.

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Allen is better than any DT in the draft and Wash. is in rebuilding mode with no QB.  Allen will also have to get paid next year going into his 5th year option .  He is the one guy I think we could trade for and could help both teams.  Lol, Atkins is gonna be 33, we could probably get him for a 3rd alone or im almost certain we could get him for Linder straight up as bad as their oline is but I'm not gonna trade our top 5 center.  A 1st, 3rd, and Linder is comical lol.  If we wanted older we would of just kept CC who is a better player and we got a 5th for him

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I feel Allen is playing out of position in Washington.  He is good there but he would be even better at 3tech in a 4-3 imo

Allen has never played DT. He was a 5 technique in college as well and would have to gain like 25-30 lbs., just to be big enough to hold up at DT. Not to mention that moving a guy from the outside to the inside almost never works. Playing in space and playing on the inside are two totally different things. I think Allen is perfect where he is. Comparing Allen to DT's in the draft is like comparing apples and oranges. They play different positions. I'd never make that trade unless we intended on switching to a 3-4 scheme full time. As for Geno Atkins, you guys are crazy if you think you could get him for a 2nd or a 3rd round pick, despite his age. Since 2015 he has sack totals of 11, 9, 9, 10 and 4.5 as his production fell last season when he had a myriad of nagging injuries. 

I just don't see any good, young, interior pass rushers in the NFL that an team would be willing to part with, so we'd almost have to get one via the draft. That would mean using a first round pick on one since the only two standouts (Twyman and Stills,) likely won't make it to our 2nd round selection.

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He means going to get Jonathon Allen in Washington in a trade or something, not moving Josh Allen to a 3 tech.

There is no way in hell anyone would give up more than a 3rd rounder for Geno Atkins as this point in his career.  He might have one or two years left after this season, and they won't be near his best. He played in all 16 games had injury and production issues last year, and this year he hasn't even gotten on the field yet.  He will be 33 next year.  I wouldn't even do it for a 3rd rounder... that would be too much.  Maybe a 5th at best, and only if I thought he had anything left in the tank.... just like we got from Baltimore for Calais. You are just looking at the name, not the current value of the player.

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This is a results-oriented business.  There are no trophies or titles given for "moral victories" or for "winning the draft".  Our record with DC is 37-86.  6-10 is our 2nd best season in 8 years of Caldwell leadership.  These are the FACTS.

Allen has never played DT. He was a 5 technique in college as well and would have to gain like 25-30 lbs., just to be big enough to hold up at DT. Not to mention that moving a guy from the outside to the inside almost never works. Playing in space and playing on the inside are two totally different things. I think Allen is perfect where he is. Comparing Allen to DT's in the draft is like comparing apples and oranges. They play different positions. I'd never make that trade unless we intended on switching to a 3-4 scheme full time. As for Geno Atkins, you guys are crazy if you think you could get him for a 2nd or a 3rd round pick, despite his age. Since 2015 he has sack totals of 11, 9, 9, 10 and 4.5 as his production fell last season when he had a myriad of nagging injuries. 

I just don't see any good, young, interior pass rushers in the NFL that an team would be willing to part with, so we'd almost have to get one via the draft. That would mean using a first round pick on one since the only two standouts (Twyman and Stills,) likely won't make it to our 2nd round selection.

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He means going to get Jonathon Allen in Washington in a trade or something, not moving Josh Allen to a 3 tech.

There is no way in hell anyone would give up more than a 3rd rounder for Geno Atkins as this point in his career.  He might have one or two years left after this season, and they won't be near his best.  He played in all 16 games had injury and production issues last year, and this year he hasn't even gotten on the field yet.  He will be 33 next year.  I wouldn't even do it for a 3rd rounder... that would be too much.  Maybe a 5th at best, and only if I thought he had anything left in the tank.  You are just looking at the name, not the current value of the player.

I know. That's what I'm referring to. Allen plays 5 technique in Washington. He's not a DT. I saw him listed at 265 lbs., but Washington list him at 300 lbs. Maybe he has the size, but moving from the outside to inside is a difficult transition and you need a lot of physical strength to fight through the crowded interior and create pressure, whereas you can making a living being fast and quick on the outside. It's very rare to find a player that can do both and making such a trade would be extremely risky. I'd rather get a player who is a proven 3 technique.

As for Atkins, Cincinnati would NEVER trade him for that. He's also a fan favorite in my area. If they traded him for that little of a price, the fans would riot.

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I know. That's what I'm referring to. Allen plays 5 technique in Washington. He's not a DT. I saw him listed at 265 lbs., but Washington list him at 300 lbs. Maybe he has the size, but moving from the outside to inside is a difficult transition and you need a lot of physical strength to fight through the crowded interior and create pressure, whereas you can making a living being fast and quick on the outside. It's very rare to find a player that can do both and making such a trade would be extremely risky. I'd rather get a player who is a proven 3 technique.

As for Atkins, Cincinnati would NEVER trade him for that. He's also a fan favorite in my area. If they traded him for that little of a price, the fans would riot.

Well, the good news for Cincy fans is.... he won't be going anywhere then.  Because no one is going to offer more than that for him.

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This is a results-oriented business.  There are no trophies or titles given for "moral victories" or for "winning the draft".  Our record with DC is 37-86.  6-10 is our 2nd best season in 8 years of Caldwell leadership.  These are the FACTS.

Where's the list of free agent defensive lineman? As alluded to earlier, it's a weak defensive line class

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Your thoughts become your words,
Your words become your actions,
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lol...

https://twitter.com/Jaguars/status/1315042304881840128

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lol...

https://twitter.com/Jaguars/status/1315042304881840128

The only player that opposing teams might have gameplanned against on our D-line and he's out.

This is the week where Taven Bryan needs to do something and make me wrong/eat my crow.

But that's not likely happening - glad others on this board have finally jumped to that conclusion about him.

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